[Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Fri Jun 5 11:51:59 PDT 2009
Thanks, Bill!
Joe Campbell
On Jun 5, 2009, at 10:38 AM, "Bill London" <london at moscow.com> wrote:
> G-
> Your use of the word "seriously" in the message below (..."take her
> professed religion seriously") is way off the mark.
> Your implication is that Catholics who disagree with the
> pronouncements of a group of celebate and irrelevant bureaucrats
> make that choice frivilously or without any consideration or
> thought. You imply that there is only one way to be a Catholic, or
> a Christian for that matter.
> Both of those implications are foolish and wrong.
> I think it is quite reasonable for a person to see him/herself as a
> Catholic (to find strength in the church, etc) and to have a strong
> belief in the necessity for both birth control and a woman's right
> to choose abortion.
> BL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: g. crabtree
> To: Joe Campbell
> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
> Catholic?
>
> You're welcome, I suppose. It's a good thing that you choose an
> occupation where any interpretation (no matter how off the mark) of
> any subject can be seen as valid. A second grader would have been
> able to discern that my contempt was for a pair of slimy politicians
> that pay scant lip service to The Church and not for Catholicism
> itself. I would be pleasantly surprised if the most recent supreme
> court nominee turned out to take her professed religion seriously,
> I'm just a little skeptical that it will turn out to be the case.
> When it comes to upper level lefties it seldom does.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "Ted Moffett"
> <starbliss at gmail.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
> Catholic?
>
> > Thanks Gary for sticking up for religions that defend SLAVERY but
> for
> > kicking them down when they come from the left!
> >
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > On Jun 4, 2009, at 5:24 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Fat chance. Roger. I suspect that her Catholicism is more in the
> >> tradition
> >> of Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi. A box to check on the appropriate
> >> forms and
> >> little else.
> >>
> >> g
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> To: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020"
> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:44 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
> >> Catholic?
> >>
> >>
> >>> I do not think that her views on abortion are well known. If turns
> >>> out that
> >>> she is pro-life, I lot of you with the possible exception of Keely
> >>> will be
> >>> less enthused with her appointment. It would be ironic if she
> >>> turned out to
> >>> be the reverse of Souter on the abortion issue.
> >>> Roger
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:41:37 -0700
> >>> To: Moscow Vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
> Catholic?
> >>>
> >>>> Gender, racial or ethnic background may or may not be important
> in a
> >>>> choice
> >>>> for a US Supreme Court justice, but it seems religious background
> >>>> is not
> >>>> a
> >>>> major focus in the case of Sotomayor's nomination.
> >>>>
> >>>> And why is this issue not on the front page? If she were Muslim,
> >>>> Hindu
> >>>> or
> >>>> Atheist, the full force of the religious bias in the US body
> politic
> >>>> towards
> >>>> a challenge to the Christian/Judaism monopoly on US politics
> would
> >>>> be
> >>>> revealed, despite the claim of the religious right that
> >>>> Christianity is
> >>>> being marginalized in government. Religion is a dominant
> >>>> influence on
> >>>> ideology that should be open to full critical rational fact based
> >>>> discussion, as well as gender, racial or ethnic background.
> >>>>
> >>>> Article on Sotomayor's Catholic background:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/politics/31catholics.html?ref=global-home
> >>>> -------------------
> >>>> Why is there not a single US Senator who declares themselves of
> >>>> another
> >>>> religious background than Christian or Jewish, of one
> variety or
> >>>> another?
> >>>> There are two US Senators who are "unspecified." Now there's a
> >>>> faith for
> >>>> you!
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html#109
> >>>>
> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate
> >>>>
> >>>>> From website above:
> >>>>
> >>>> According to the data, no Senator falls under the category "No
> >>>> Religion/Atheist/Agnostic" - a category embodied by 15.0% of the
> >>>> U.S.
> >>>> population according to the 2001 Census.
> >>>> -------------------
> >>>> Religion is the most pervasive form of prejudice against a
> political
> >>>> position (and despite what some might wish otherwise, US Supreme
> >>>> Court
> >>>> justice nominations are very political in nature) in US politics,
> >>>> in the
> >>>> US
> >>>> Senate or the presidency. More than gender, race or ethnicity.
> >>>>
> >>>> No politician running for the US Senate or the presidency would
> >>>> stand a
> >>>> chance if they openly declared themselves Atheist.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ted Moffett
> >>>>
> >>>>
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