<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Thanks, Bill!<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Jun 5, 2009, at 10:38 AM, "Bill London" <<a href="mailto:london@moscow.com">london@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">G-</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Your use of the word "seriously" in the message
below (..."take her professed religion seriously") is way off the
mark.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Your implication is that Catholics who disagree
with the pronouncements of a group of celebate and irrelevant bureaucrats make
that choice frivilously or without any consideration or thought. You imply
that there is only one way to be a Catholic, or a Christian for that
matter.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Both of those implications are foolish and
wrong.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think it is quite reasonable for a person to see
him/herself as a Catholic (to find strength in the church, etc) and to have a
strong belief in the necessity for both birth control and a woman's right to
choose abortion.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">BL</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 05, 2009 5:41 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US
Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">You're welcome, I suppose. It's a good thing that
you choose an occupation where any interpretation (no matter how off the mark)
of any subject can be seen as valid. A second grader would have been able to
discern that my contempt was for a pair of slimy politicians that pay scant
lip service to The Church and not for Catholicism itself. I would be
pleasantly surprised if the most recent supreme court nominee turned out to
take her professed religion seriously, I'm just a little skeptical that it
will turn out to be the case. When it comes to upper level lefties it seldom
does.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cc: "lfalen" <</font><a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">lfalen@turbonet.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>; "Ted
Moffett" <</font><a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">starbliss@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>; "Moscow
Vision 2020" <</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:10 AM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme
Court's Sixth Catholic?</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Thanks Gary for sticking up for religions that defend SLAVERY but
for <br>> kicking them down when they come from the left!<br>>
<br>> Joe Campbell<br>> <br>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 5:24 PM, "g.
crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>
wrote:<br>> <br>>> Fat chance. Roger. I suspect that her Catholicism
is more in the <br>>> tradition<br>>> of Ted Kennedy and
Nancy Pelosi. A box to check on the appropriate <br>>> forms
and<br>>> little else.<br>>><br>>> g<br>>> -----
Original Message -----<br>>> From: "lfalen" <</font><a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">lfalen@turbonet.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>>
To: "Ted Moffett" <</font><a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">starbliss@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
"Moscow Vision 2020"<br>>> <</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:44 AM<br>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
<br>>> Catholic?<br>>><br>>><br>>>> I do not think
that her views on abortion are well known. If turns <br>>>> out
that<br>>>> she is pro-life, I lot of you with the possible exception
of Keely <br>>>> will be<br>>>> less enthused with her
appointment. It would be ironic if she <br>>>> turned out
to<br>>>> be the reverse of Souter on the abortion
issue.<br>>>> Roger<br>>>> -----Original
message-----<br>>>> From: Ted Moffett </font><a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">starbliss@gmail.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:41:37 -0700<br>>>> To: Moscow Vision 2020
</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
Catholic?<br>>>><br>>>>> Gender, racial or ethnic
background may or may not be important in a<br>>>>>
choice<br>>>>> for a US Supreme Court justice, but it seems
religious background <br>>>>> is not<br>>>>>
a<br>>>>> major focus in the case of Sotomayor's
nomination.<br>>>>><br>>>>> And why is this issue not
on the front page? If she were Muslim, <br>>>>>
Hindu<br>>>>> or<br>>>>> Atheist, the full force of
the religious bias in the US body politic<br>>>>>
towards<br>>>>> a challenge to the Christian/Judaism monopoly on
US politics would <br>>>>> be<br>>>>> revealed,
despite the claim of the religious right that <br>>>>>
Christianity is<br>>>>> being marginalized in government.
Religion is a dominant <br>>>>> influence
on<br>>>>> ideology that should be open to full critical rational
fact based<br>>>>> discussion, as well as gender, racial or ethnic
background.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Article on Sotomayor's
Catholic background:<br>>>>><br>>>>> </font><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/politics/31catholics.html?ref=global-home"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/politics/31catholics.html?ref=global-home</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>>> -------------------<br>>>>> Why
is there not a single US Senator who declares themselves of
<br>>>>> another<br>>>>> religious background than
Christian or Jewish, of one variety or <br>>>>>
another?<br>>>>> There are two US Senators who are
"unspecified." Now there's a <br>>>>> faith
for<br>>>>> you!<br>>>>><br>>>>> </font><a href="http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html#109"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html#109</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>>><br>>>>> </font><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>>><br>>>>>> From website
above:<br>>>>><br>>>>> According to the data, no
Senator falls under the category "No<br>>>>>
Religion/Atheist/Agnostic" - a category embodied by 15.0% of the
<br>>>>> U.S.<br>>>>> population according to the 2001
Census.<br>>>>> -------------------<br>>>>> Religion
is the most pervasive form of prejudice against a
political<br>>>>> position (and despite what some might wish
otherwise, US Supreme <br>>>>> Court<br>>>>>
justice nominations are very political in nature) in US politics,
<br>>>>> in the<br>>>>> US<br>>>>> Senate
or the presidency. More than gender, race or
ethnicity.<br>>>>><br>>>>> No politician running for
the US Senate or the presidency would <br>>>>> stand
a<br>>>>> chance if they openly declared themselves
Atheist.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Ted
Moffett<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
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