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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your use of the word "seriously" in the message
below (..."take her professed religion seriously") is way off the
mark.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your implication is that Catholics who disagree
with the pronouncements of a group of celebate and irrelevant bureaucrats make
that choice frivilously or without any consideration or thought. You imply
that there is only one way to be a Catholic, or a Christian for that
matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Both of those implications are foolish and
wrong.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think it is quite reasonable for a person to see
him/herself as a Catholic (to find strength in the church, etc) and to have a
strong belief in the necessity for both birth control and a woman's right to
choose abortion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BL</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 05, 2009 5:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US
Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're welcome, I suppose. It's a good thing that
you choose an occupation where any interpretation (no matter how off the mark)
of any subject can be seen as valid. A second grader would have been able to
discern that my contempt was for a pair of slimy politicians that pay scant
lip service to The Church and not for Catholicism itself. I would be
pleasantly surprised if the most recent supreme court nominee turned out to
take her professed religion seriously, I'm just a little skeptical that it
will turn out to be the case. When it comes to upper level lefties it seldom
does.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "lfalen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Ted
Moffett" <</FONT><A href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>starbliss@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Moscow
Vision 2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:10 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme
Court's Sixth Catholic?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Thanks Gary for sticking up for religions that defend SLAVERY but
for <BR>> kicking them down when they come from the left!<BR>>
<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>> <BR>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 5:24 PM, "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Fat chance. Roger. I suspect that her Catholicism
is more in the <BR>>> tradition<BR>>> of Ted Kennedy and
Nancy Pelosi. A box to check on the appropriate <BR>>> forms
and<BR>>> little else.<BR>>><BR>>> g<BR>>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>> From: "lfalen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
To: "Ted Moffett" <</FONT><A href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>starbliss@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
"Moscow Vision 2020"<BR>>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:44 AM<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
<BR>>> Catholic?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> I do not think
that her views on abortion are well known. If turns <BR>>>> out
that<BR>>>> she is pro-life, I lot of you with the possible exception
of Keely <BR>>>> will be<BR>>>> less enthused with her
appointment. It would be ironic if she <BR>>>> turned out
to<BR>>>> be the reverse of Souter on the abortion
issue.<BR>>>> Roger<BR>>>> -----Original
message-----<BR>>>> From: Ted Moffett </FONT><A
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>starbliss@gmail.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>>
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:41:37 -0700<BR>>>> To: Moscow Vision 2020
</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
Catholic?<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Gender, racial or ethnic
background may or may not be important in a<BR>>>>>
choice<BR>>>>> for a US Supreme Court justice, but it seems
religious background <BR>>>>> is not<BR>>>>>
a<BR>>>>> major focus in the case of Sotomayor's
nomination.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> And why is this issue not
on the front page? If she were Muslim, <BR>>>>>
Hindu<BR>>>>> or<BR>>>>> Atheist, the full force of
the religious bias in the US body politic<BR>>>>>
towards<BR>>>>> a challenge to the Christian/Judaism monopoly on
US politics would <BR>>>>> be<BR>>>>> revealed,
despite the claim of the religious right that <BR>>>>>
Christianity is<BR>>>>> being marginalized in government.
Religion is a dominant <BR>>>>> influence
on<BR>>>>> ideology that should be open to full critical rational
fact based<BR>>>>> discussion, as well as gender, racial or ethnic
background.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Article on Sotomayor's
Catholic background:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/politics/31catholics.html?ref=global-home"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/politics/31catholics.html?ref=global-home</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>>>> -------------------<BR>>>>> Why
is there not a single US Senator who declares themselves of
<BR>>>>> another<BR>>>>> religious background than
Christian or Jewish, of one variety or <BR>>>>>
another?<BR>>>>> There are two US Senators who are
"unspecified." Now there's a <BR>>>>> faith
for<BR>>>>> you!<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html#109"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html#109</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>>>><BR>>>>> </FONT><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>>>><BR>>>>>> From website
above:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> According to the data, no
Senator falls under the category "No<BR>>>>>
Religion/Atheist/Agnostic" - a category embodied by 15.0% of the
<BR>>>>> U.S.<BR>>>>> population according to the 2001
Census.<BR>>>>> -------------------<BR>>>>> Religion
is the most pervasive form of prejudice against a
political<BR>>>>> position (and despite what some might wish
otherwise, US Supreme <BR>>>>> Court<BR>>>>>
justice nominations are very political in nature) in US politics,
<BR>>>>> in the<BR>>>>> US<BR>>>>> Senate
or the presidency. More than gender, race or
ethnicity.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> No politician running for
the US Senate or the presidency would <BR>>>>> stand
a<BR>>>>> chance if they openly declared themselves
Atheist.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Ted
Moffett<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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