[Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)

[Joe Campbell]

Two BIG differences between Obama's win and GW Bush's first win: Obama  
won the popular vote; Obama did not need the Supreme Court to win the  
electoral vote.

In the beginning much of the resentment toward Bush had little to do  
with him or a dislike of his political philosophy (conservativism).  
Unlike the recent comments about Obama.

Joe Campbell

On Jan 25, 2009, at 9:31 PM, "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>  
wrote:

> LOL – let the whining begin!
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> Gary Crabtree wrote:
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> “As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president sho 
> uld come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or less 
>  restrictive place to live, I'll support him.”
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> Note the quotation marks Crabtree uses – he’s clearly wanting to  
> continue with the divisiveness that doomed the election for the GOP.
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> Of course, he contradicts himself here:
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> “If BHO plans on making good on his campaign promises with regard to 
>  abortion, education, taxes, health care, the second amendment, the  
> global warming hoax, and the war on terror, then I suspect a huge po 
> rtion of the 53 million American's who didn't vote for him (once) ho 
> pe he fails miserably, myself included.”
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> So, Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it suits  
> his notion of a “less restrictive place to live” – he’s  
> against reproductive rights, even for rape victims.  Let’s keep them 
>  thar women broodmares!  Remember, he’s a staunch supporter of misog 
> ynistic “conscience laws” that enable pharmacists to refuse to  
> dispense contraceptives, emergency or otherwise, which would certain 
> ly make America a much more restrictive place for women to live.  Th 
> e broken health care system folks like Crabtree want to cling to has 
>  made America a much more restrictive place to live for many regular 
>  hardworking Americans – he’s seemingly proud of the fact that we  
> are the only industrialized nation where people lose their homes due 
>  to unconscionable health care costs.  The Second Amendment our foun 
> ding fathers gave us isn’t good enough for Crabtree and his ilk –  
> they want a Second Amendment on Steroids.  He’s content that the War 
>  on Terror has lead to the terrorization of US citizens through the  
> erosion of our guaranteed civil liberties and put us on a path to a  
> police state – that sure seems like a much more restrictive place to 
>  live to me, and that’s without even getting into the shame of tortu 
> re and denial of due process to suspects.  He’s pleased with a tax s 
> ystem that unfairly burdens the least among us while providing nothi 
> ng but loopholes ripe for exploitation by the greedy amongst us, esp 
> ecially those who benefit from the special interest lobbying they fu 
> nd.    Education – his solution is I don’t know what, but it  
> would likely look similar – and have results similar to – the  
> deregulation that’s caused the financial crisis that came crashing d 
> own around Bush’s ears.  God only knows what nonsense fills his head 
>  about global warming – it would appear his understanding of science 
>  is limited to the right-wing whack jobs who flunked science.
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> Fortunately, the election was a resounding rejection of those like  
> Crabtree who want keep doing things that don’t work.  And, I’m  
> sure we have his sore loser whining to look forward to for the next  
> four years.  After all, this was a legitimate win for Obama, which m 
> ust make the win that much more difficult to swallow  J
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> Saundra Lund
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> Moscow, ID
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> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people  
> to do nothing.
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> ~ Edmund Burke
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> ] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: Chasuk
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
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>
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> I guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid jug you  
> sit on. I can't believe that you can say with a straight face that  
> what you might find on drudge or the freep is as over the top as  
> some of the mindless, howling at the moon, wackiness found at kos or  
> huffington.
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> As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president  
> should come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or  
> less restrictive place to live, I'll support him. On everything else  
> I'll fight him to the best of my ability and hope for his  
> catastrophic failure. Since I am unaware of a single issue with  
> which I am in agreement major policy wise, I don't think that there  
> will be much to support. If every mega leftist measure your hero  
> puts forward is an abject failure it will hopefully discredit the  
> ultra liberal wing of the democrat party and hasten the rise of a  
> truly conservative candidate. All to the greater glory of our  
> republic, in my opinion.
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> g
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> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
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> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> >> Remember how your side wished President GW the best? Sort of like  
> that but
> >> without the shrillness and childish demonstrations.
> >
> > Sorry, I read a lot of blogs and new sites, across the political
> > spectrum -- including http://drudgereport.com,
> > http://www.freerepublic.com, and http://worldnetdaily.com -- and
> > "shrill" and "childish" are words that much more accurately describe
> > the conservative side of things.  Other accurate words would be
> > inarticulate and ungrammatical.
> >
> > And how about wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully  
> implement
> > those policies and agendas with which you disagree?  As far as
> > conservatives go, you are the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.
> > You really don't strike me as subscribing to the
> > cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face philosophy.
> >
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