<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Two BIG differences between Obama's win and GW Bush's first win: Obama won the popular vote; Obama did not need the Supreme Court to win the electoral vote.</div><div><br></div><div>In the beginning much of the resentment toward Bush had little to do with him or a dislike of his political philosophy (conservativism). Unlike the recent comments about Obama.<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Jan 25, 2009, at 9:31 PM, "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">sslund_2007@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">LOL
– let the whining begin!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gary
Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As I said previously,
if there is an issue that "our" president should come up with that I
think makes America a better, safer, or <b>less restrictive place to live</b>,
I'll support him.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Note
the quotation marks Crabtree uses – he’s clearly wanting to
continue with the divisiveness that doomed the election for the GOP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of
course, he contradicts himself here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If BHO plans on
making good on his campaign promises with regard to abortion, education, taxes,
health care, the second amendment, the global warming hoax, and the war on
terror, then I suspect a huge portion of the 53 million American's who
didn't vote for him (once) hope he fails miserably, myself included.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So,
Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it suits his notion of a
“less restrictive place to live” – he’s against
reproductive rights, even for rape victims. Let’s keep them thar
women broodmares! Remember, he’s a staunch supporter of misogynistic
“conscience laws” that enable pharmacists to refuse to dispense
contraceptives, emergency or otherwise, which would certainly make America a much
more restrictive place for women to live. The broken health care system
folks like Crabtree want to cling to has made America a much more restrictive
place to live for many regular hardworking Americans – he’s seemingly
proud of the fact that we are the only industrialized nation where people lose
their homes due to unconscionable health care costs. The Second Amendment
our founding fathers gave us isn’t good enough for Crabtree and his ilk –
they want a Second Amendment on Steroids. He’s content that the War
on Terror has lead to the terrorization of US citizens through the erosion of
our guaranteed civil liberties and put us on a path to a police state –
that sure seems like a much more restrictive place to live to me, and that’s
without even getting into the shame of torture and denial of due process to
suspects. He’s pleased with a tax system that unfairly burdens the
least among us while providing nothing but loopholes ripe for exploitation by
the greedy amongst us, especially those who benefit from the special interest
lobbying they fund. Education – his solution is I don’t
know what, but it would likely look similar – and have results similar to
– the deregulation that’s caused the financial crisis that came
crashing down around Bush’s ears. God only knows what nonsense
fills his head about global warming – it would appear his understanding
of science is limited to the right-wing whack jobs who flunked science.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Fortunately,
the election was a resounding rejection of those like Crabtree who want keep
doing things that don’t work. And, I’m sure we have his sore
loser whining to look forward to for the next four years. After all, this
was a legitimate win for Obama, which must make the win that much more
difficult to swallow </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>g. crabtree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chasuk<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid jug you sit on. I can't
believe that you can say with a straight face that what you might find on
drudge or the freep is as over the top as some of the mindless, howling at
the moon, wackiness found at kos or huffington.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As
I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president should
come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or less restrictive
place to live, I'll support him. On everything else I'll fight him to the best
of my ability and hope for his catastrophic failure. Since I am unaware of
a single issue with which I am in agreement major policy wise, I don't think
that there will be much to support. If every mega leftist measure your
hero puts forward is an abject failure it will hopefully discredit the ultra
liberal wing of the democrat party and hasten the rise of a truly conservative
candidate. All to the greater glory of our republic, in my opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">-----
Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:
"Chasuk" <</span><a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">chasuk@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:
"g. crabtree" <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cc:
<</span><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>; "Tom
Hansen" <</span><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">thansen@moscow.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:
Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say What?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">>
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"">jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Remember how your side wished President GW the best? Sort of like that
but<br>
>> without the shrillness and childish demonstrations.<br>
> <br>
> Sorry, I read a lot of blogs and new sites, across the political<br>
> spectrum -- including </span><a href="http://drudgereport.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">http://drudgereport.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">,<br>
> </span><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">http://www.freerepublic.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">, and </span><a href="http://worldnetdaily.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">http://worldnetdaily.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> -- and<br>
> "shrill" and "childish" are words that much more
accurately describe<br>
> the conservative side of things. Other accurate words would be<br>
> inarticulate and ungrammatical.<br>
> <br>
> And how about wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully implement<br>
> those policies and agendas with which you disagree? As far as<br>
> conservatives go, you are the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.<br>
> You really don't strike me as subscribing to the<br>
> cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face philosophy.<br>
></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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