[Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)

Tue Jan 27 07:41:51 PST 2009

Ms. Lund,

  I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that I will support your new god when (if) I see him doing good for the country and oppose him when he's not qualifies as whining but, I guess it's in the ear of the termagant. I defer to your mastery as eight continuous years of effort have, without a doubt, left you well practiced on the matter.

  I find it highly amusing and not a small bit refreshing that you feel comfortable enough in your creative writing style to forge ahead without feeling even the slightest need to anchor yourself to anything resembling a fact. The errors in your brief communication are many, and I'm just sure that you'll forgive me if (what with life being short and all) I don't bother to enumerate them. Lets face it, as one of The Chosen Ones most fervent followers it's clear that you have gotten beyond the need for accuracy and reason where it comes to your cute little school girl affaire d'coeur with your freshly minted deity. My only request would be that if you are going to do the other members of this little electronic community the service of pointing out that evil "Crabtree's" position on any given topic that you provide a cite so that the others can make a reasonable distinction between my actual stand on any given matter and what is a fantasy fueled by your freshly found religious fervor.

My most heart felt thanks in advance,
g
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Saundra Lund 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:31 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)

  LOL - let the whining begin!

  Gary Crabtree wrote:

  "As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president should come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or less restrictive place to live, I'll support him."

  Note the quotation marks Crabtree uses - he's clearly wanting to continue with the divisiveness that doomed the election for the GOP.

  Of course, he contradicts himself here:

  "If BHO plans on making good on his campaign promises with regard to abortion, education, taxes, health care, the second amendment, the global warming hoax, and the war on terror, then I suspect a huge portion of the 53 million American's who didn't vote for him (once) hope he fails miserably, myself included."

  So, Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it suits his notion of a "less restrictive place to live" - he's against reproductive rights, even for rape victims.  Let's keep them thar women broodmares!  Remember, he's a staunch supporter of misogynistic "conscience laws" that enable pharmacists to refuse to dispense contraceptives, emergency or otherwise, which would certainly make America a much more restrictive place for women to live.  The broken health care system folks like Crabtree want to cling to has made America a much more restrictive place to live for many regular hardworking Americans - he's seemingly proud of the fact that we are the only industrialized nation where people lose their homes due to unconscionable health care costs.  The Second Amendment our founding fathers gave us isn't good enough for Crabtree and his ilk - they want a Second Amendment on Steroids.  He's content that the War on Terror has lead to the terrorization of US citizens through the erosion of our guaranteed civil liberties and put us on a path to a police state - that sure seems like a much more restrictive place to live to me, and that's without even getting into the shame of torture and denial of due process to suspects.  He's pleased with a tax system that unfairly burdens the least among us while providing nothing but loopholes ripe for exploitation by the greedy amongst us, especially those who benefit from the special interest lobbying they fund.    Education - his solution is I don't know what, but it would likely look similar - and have results similar to - the deregulation that's caused the financial crisis that came crashing down around Bush's ears.  God only knows what nonsense fills his head about global warming - it would appear his understanding of science is limited to the right-wing whack jobs who flunked science.

  Fortunately, the election was a resounding rejection of those like Crabtree who want keep doing things that don't work.  And, I'm sure we have his sore loser whining to look forward to for the next four years.  After all, this was a legitimate win for Obama, which must make the win that much more difficult to swallow  J

  Saundra Lund

  Moscow, ID

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

  ~ Edmund Burke

  ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****

  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
  Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:38 PM
  To: Chasuk
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

  I guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid jug you sit on. I can't believe that you can say with a straight face that what you might find on drudge or the freep is as over the top as some of the mindless, howling at the moon, wackiness found at kos or huffington.

  As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president should come up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or less restrictive place to live, I'll support him. On everything else I'll fight him to the best of my ability and hope for his catastrophic failure. Since I am unaware of a single issue with which I am in agreement major policy wise, I don't think that there will be much to support. If every mega leftist measure your hero puts forward is an abject failure it will hopefully discredit the ultra liberal wing of the democrat party and hasten the rise of a truly conservative candidate. All to the greater glory of our republic, in my opinion.

  g

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>

  To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>

  Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>

  Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43 AM

  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

  > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
  > 
  >> Remember how your side wished President GW the best? Sort of like that but
  >> without the shrillness and childish demonstrations.
  > 
  > Sorry, I read a lot of blogs and new sites, across the political
  > spectrum -- including http://drudgereport.com,
  > http://www.freerepublic.com, and http://worldnetdaily.com -- and
  > "shrill" and "childish" are words that much more accurately describe
  > the conservative side of things.  Other accurate words would be
  > inarticulate and ungrammatical.
  > 
  > And how about wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully implement
  > those policies and agendas with which you disagree?  As far as
  > conservatives go, you are the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.
  > You really don't strike me as subscribing to the
  > cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face philosophy.
  >

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