[Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)

Tue Jan 27 16:33:20 PST 2009

Yet again, what an enormous crock, but that's what many of us have come to
expect from you in this forum  J

And, how wrong you are, as usual.  As everyone who knows me knows, Obama
wasn't "my" candidate, let alone any kind of deity to me.  I did, however,
vote for the candidate out of the choices we wound up with who I thought
would do the best job, a decision a clear majority agreed with.  So take
your sour grapes and go make some more whine - continue to be part of the
problem rather than part of a solution . . . that's what you're good at.

It's not surprising at all to me - nor should it be to any of us here --
that you don't bother to even try to correct what you say I got wrong in
summarizing the positions you've taken here.  It would be pretty difficult
for you, what with the V2020 archives being open for all  J

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

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From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:42 AM
To: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)

Ms. Lund,

  I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that I will support your new god
when (if) I see him doing good for the country and oppose him when he's not
qualifies as whining but, I guess it's in the ear of the termagant. I defer
to your mastery as eight continuous years of effort have, without a doubt,
left you well practiced on the matter.

  I find it highly amusing and not a small bit refreshing that you feel
comfortable enough in your creative writing style to forge ahead without
feeling even the slightest need to anchor yourself to anything resembling a
fact. The errors in your brief communication are many, and I'm just sure
that you'll forgive me if (what with life being short and all) I don't
bother to enumerate them. Lets face it, as one of The Chosen Ones most
fervent followers it's clear that you have gotten beyond the need for
accuracy and reason where it comes to your cute little school girl affaire
d'coeur with your freshly minted deity. My only request would be that if you
are going to do the other members of this little electronic community the
service of pointing out that evil "Crabtree's" position on any given topic
that you provide a cite so that the others can make a reasonable distinction
between my actual stand on any given matter and what is a fantasy fueled by
your freshly found religious fervor.

My most heart felt thanks in advance,

g

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Saundra Lund <mailto:sslund_2007 at verizon.net>  

To: vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:31 PM

Subject: [Vision2020] Contradictory Crabtree (was RE: Say What?)

LOL - let the whining begin!

Gary Crabtree wrote:

"As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president should come
up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or less restrictive
place to live, I'll support him."

Note the quotation marks Crabtree uses - he's clearly wanting to continue
with the divisiveness that doomed the election for the GOP.

Of course, he contradicts himself here:

"If BHO plans on making good on his campaign promises with regard to
abortion, education, taxes, health care, the second amendment, the global
warming hoax, and the war on terror, then I suspect a huge portion of the 53
million American's who didn't vote for him (once) hope he fails miserably,
myself included."

So, Crabtree only wants a less restrictive place to live if it suits his
notion of a "less restrictive place to live" - he's against reproductive
rights, even for rape victims.  Let's keep them thar women broodmares!
Remember, he's a staunch supporter of misogynistic "conscience laws" that
enable pharmacists to refuse to dispense contraceptives, emergency or
otherwise, which would certainly make America a much more restrictive place
for women to live.  The broken health care system folks like Crabtree want
to cling to has made America a much more restrictive place to live for many
regular hardworking Americans - he's seemingly proud of the fact that we are
the only industrialized nation where people lose their homes due to
unconscionable health care costs.  The Second Amendment our founding fathers
gave us isn't good enough for Crabtree and his ilk - they want a Second
Amendment on Steroids.  He's content that the War on Terror has lead to the
terrorization of US citizens through the erosion of our guaranteed civil
liberties and put us on a path to a police state - that sure seems like a
much more restrictive place to live to me, and that's without even getting
into the shame of torture and denial of due process to suspects.  He's
pleased with a tax system that unfairly burdens the least among us while
providing nothing but loopholes ripe for exploitation by the greedy amongst
us, especially those who benefit from the special interest lobbying they
fund.    Education - his solution is I don't know what, but it would likely
look similar - and have results similar to - the deregulation that's caused
the financial crisis that came crashing down around Bush's ears.  God only
knows what nonsense fills his head about global warming - it would appear
his understanding of science is limited to the right-wing whack jobs who
flunked science.

Fortunately, the election was a resounding rejection of those like Crabtree
who want keep doing things that don't work.  And, I'm sure we have his sore
loser whining to look forward to for the next four years.  After all, this
was a legitimate win for Obama, which must make the win that much more
difficult to swallow  J

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus
70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:38 PM
To: Chasuk
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

I guess that it all depends on which side of the Kool-Aid jug you sit on. I
can't believe that you can say with a straight face that what you might find
on drudge or the freep is as over the top as some of the mindless, howling
at the moon, wackiness found at kos or huffington.

As I said previously, if there is an issue that "our" president should come
up with that I think makes America a better, safer, or less restrictive
place to live, I'll support him. On everything else I'll fight him to the
best of my ability and hope for his catastrophic failure. Since I am unaware
of a single issue with which I am in agreement major policy wise, I don't
think that there will be much to support. If every mega leftist measure your
hero puts forward is an abject failure it will hopefully discredit the ultra
liberal wing of the democrat party and hasten the rise of a truly
conservative candidate. All to the greater glory of our republic, in my
opinion.

g

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Chasuk" < <mailto:chasuk at gmail.com> chasuk at gmail.com>

To: "g. crabtree" < <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com> jampot at roadrunner.com>

Cc: < <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <
<mailto:thansen at moscow.com> thansen at moscow.com>

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:51, g. crabtree <
<mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com> jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
>> Remember how your side wished President GW the best? Sort of like that
but
>> without the shrillness and childish demonstrations.
> 
> Sorry, I read a lot of blogs and new sites, across the political
> spectrum -- including  <http://drudgereport.com> http://drudgereport.com,
>  <http://www.freerepublic.com> http://www.freerepublic.com, and
<http://worldnetdaily.com> http://worldnetdaily.com -- and
> "shrill" and "childish" are words that much more accurately describe
> the conservative side of things.  Other accurate words would be
> inarticulate and ungrammatical.
> 
> And how about wishing that Obama simply fail to successfully implement
> those policies and agendas with which you disagree?  As far as
> conservatives go, you are the voice of reason on this forum, Gary.
> You really don't strike me as subscribing to the
> cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face philosophy.
>

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