[Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord

[Joseph Campbell]

I agree. You can't respond to the skeptic and it is silly to try. But  
this doesn't mean that our most basic beliefs are based on reason.  
Otherwise there would be something more direct and less poetic to say!

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On Jan 1, 2009, at 8:27 PM, "Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com>  
wrote:

> All this rather reminds me of Johnson's famous literary moment of  
> kicking a rock and saying, "Thus I refute Berkeley." A couple  
> hundred years later, someone came up with this reply:
>
> "Epistemology" by Richard Wilbur
>
> I.
> Kick at the rock, Sam Johnson, break your bones:
> But cloudy, cloudy is the stuff of stones.
>
> II.
> We milk the cow of the world, and as we do
> We  whisper in her ear, “You are not true.”
> Warren Hayman
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Campbell
> To: Art Deco
> Cc: Vision 2020
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord
>
> Evidence is always lacking! If you disagree prove that the external  
> world exists or that the future will be like the past without  
> begging the question. But I wouldn't call what's holding up your  
> beliefs faith either. This is a false dilemma.
>
> Best, Joe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> Remember faith is necessary when evidence is lacking.  The less  
>> evidence, the stronger faith needed or exhibited by believers,  
>> religious, political, social, or otherwise.
>>
>> W.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ralph Nielsen
>> To: Donovan Arnold ; vision 2020
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:55 PM
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord
>>
>> Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> Thu Jan 1 11:03:42 PST 2009
>>
>> Chas,
>>
>> Most all Christians believe false Gods exist. But there is only one  
>> True God.
>>
>> I have little faith in God because I am a weak person. But I do  
>> believe that He exists. I have to pray for faith that He will do  
>> right by me. I resist Him all the time because I want to be free to  
>> do        what I want for me, not what is right for Him.
>>
>> Believing He exists is indisputable because of what I have  
>> witnessed and witnessed with others. So that is the easier part for  
>> me. I don't think I am special, I think God reveals himself to  
>> everyone at some point if He needs to.
>>
>> But faith, that is difficult to acquire, even people that boast  
>> they have much more than most, have little.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>>
>> The harder you believe in some being the more real he becomes. This  
>> is true of all objects of faith, including Santa Claus.
>> Ralph
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