<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I agree. You can't respond to the skeptic and it is silly to try. But this doesn't mean that our most basic beliefs are based on reason. Otherwise there would be something more direct and less poetic to say!<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 1, 2009, at 8:27 PM, "Warren Hayman" <<a href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com">whayman@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div>All this rather reminds me of Johnson's famous literary moment of kicking a
rock and saying, "Thus I refute Berkeley." A couple hundred years later, someone
came up with this reply:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>"Epistemology" by Richard Wilbur</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I.</div>
<div>Kick at the rock, Sam Johnson, break your bones:</div>
<div>But cloudy, cloudy is the stuff of stones.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>II.</div>
<div>We milk the cow of the world, and as we do</div>
<div>We whisper in her ear, “You are not true.”</div>
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<p>Warren Hayman</p>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="josephc@wsu.edu" href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">Joseph Campbell</a>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:02
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fragments of
our Lord</div>
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<div>Evidence is always lacking! If you disagree prove that the external world
exists or that the future will be like the past without begging the question.
But I wouldn't call what's holding up your beliefs faith either. This is a
false dilemma. </div>
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<div>Best, Joe<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, "Art Deco" <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font size="2">Remember faith is necessary when evidence is
lacking. The less evidence, the stronger faith needed or exhibited by
believers, religious, political, social, or otherwise.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2">W.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="nielsen@uidaho.edu" href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">Ralph
Nielsen</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a title="Vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">vision
2020</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 01, 2009
12:55 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Fragments of
our Lord</div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 16px Times" face="Times" size="5"><b>Donovan Arnold</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Fragments%20of%20our%20Lord&In-Reply-To=ef6f41de0901010044m56e87fd4t7cd302b68bbb8698%40mail.gmail.com"><font style="COLOR: #000af1" color="#000af1"><u>donovanjarnold2005 at
yahoo.com </u></font></a></font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 16px Times" face="Times" size="5"><i>Thu Jan 1 11:03:42 PST 2009</i></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4">Chas,</font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4"></font> </p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4">Most all Christians believe false Gods exist. But there is only one
True God. </font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4"></font> </p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4">I have little faith in God because I am a weak person. But I
do believe that He exists. I have to pray for faith that He will do
right by me. I resist Him all the time because I want to be free to do
what I want for me, not what is right for Him. </font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4"></font> </p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4">Believing He exists is indisputable because of what I have
witnessed and witnessed with others. So that is the easier part for me. I
don't think I am special, I think God reveals himself to everyone at some
point if He needs to. </font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4"></font> </p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4">But faith, that is difficult to acquire, even people that boast
they have much more than most, have little. </font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4"></font> </p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4">Best Regards,</font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4"></font> </p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4">Donovan</font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 13px Courier" face="Courier" size="4"></font> </p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Courier" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><br></span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Courier" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">The harder you
believe in some being the more real he becomes. This is true of all
objects of faith, including Santa Claus.</span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Courier" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Ralph</span></font></p>
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