[Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord

[Warren Hayman]

All this rather reminds me of Johnson's famous literary moment of kicking a rock and saying, "Thus I refute Berkeley." A couple hundred years later, someone came up with this reply:

"Epistemology" by Richard Wilbur

I.
Kick at the rock, Sam Johnson, break your bones:
But cloudy, cloudy is the stuff of stones.

II.
We milk the cow of the world, and as we do
We  whisper in her ear, "You are not true."
Warren Hayman



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph Campbell 
  To: Art Deco 
  Cc: Vision 2020 
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord


  Evidence is always lacking! If you disagree prove that the external world exists or that the future will be like the past without begging the question. But I wouldn't call what's holding up your beliefs faith either. This is a false dilemma. 


  Best, Joe

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com> wrote:


    Remember faith is necessary when evidence is lacking.  The less evidence, the stronger faith needed or exhibited by believers, religious, political, social, or otherwise.

    W.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ralph Nielsen 
      To: Donovan Arnold ; vision 2020 
      Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:55 PM
      Subject: [Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord


      Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com 
      Thu Jan 1 11:03:42 PST 2009


      Chas,


      Most all Christians believe false Gods exist. But there is only one True God. 


      I have little faith in God because I am a weak person. But I do believe that He exists. I have to pray for faith that He will do right by me. I resist Him all the time because I want to be free to do what I want for me, not what is right for Him. 


      Believing He exists is indisputable because of what I have witnessed and witnessed with others. So that is the easier part for me. I don't think I am special, I think God reveals himself to everyone at some point if He needs to. 


      But faith, that is difficult to acquire, even people that boast they have much more than most, have little. 


      Best Regards,


      Donovan





      The harder you believe in some being the more real he becomes. This is true of all objects of faith, including Santa Claus.

      Ralph



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