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<DIV>All this rather reminds me of Johnson's famous literary moment of kicking a
rock and saying, "Thus I refute Berkeley." A couple hundred years later, someone
came up with this reply:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Epistemology" by Richard Wilbur</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I.</DIV>
<DIV>Kick at the rock, Sam Johnson, break your bones:</DIV>
<DIV>But cloudy, cloudy is the stuff of stones.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>II.</DIV>
<DIV>We milk the cow of the world, and as we do</DIV>
<DIV>We whisper in her ear, “You are not true.”</DIV>
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<P>Warren Hayman</P>
<P> </P></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=josephc@wsu.edu href="mailto:josephc@wsu.edu">Joseph Campbell</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Fragments of
our Lord</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Evidence is always lacking! If you disagree prove that the external world
exists or that the future will be like the past without begging the question.
But I wouldn't call what's holding up your beliefs faith either. This is a
false dilemma. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best, Joe<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, "Art Deco" <<A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Remember faith is necessary when evidence is
lacking. The less evidence, the stronger faith needed or exhibited by
believers, religious, political, social, or otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nielsen@uidaho.edu href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">Ralph
Nielsen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> ; <A
title=Vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 01, 2009
12:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Fragments of
our Lord</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Times" face=Times
size=5><B>Donovan Arnold</B> <A
href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Fragments%20of%20our%20Lord&In-Reply-To=ef6f41de0901010044m56e87fd4t7cd302b68bbb8698%40mail.gmail.com"><FONT
style="COLOR: #000af1" color=#000af1><U>donovanjarnold2005 at
yahoo.com </U></FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Times" face=Times
size=5><I>Thu Jan 1 11:03:42 PST 2009</I></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4>Chas,</FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4>Most all Christians believe false Gods exist. But there is only one
True God. </FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4>I have little faith in God because I am a weak person. But I
do believe that He exists. I have to pray for faith that He will do
right by me. I resist Him all the time because I want to be free to do
what I want for me, not what is right for Him. </FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4>Believing He exists is indisputable because of what I have
witnessed and witnessed with others. So that is the easier part for me. I
don't think I am special, I think God reveals himself to everyone at some
point if He needs to. </FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4>But faith, that is difficult to acquire, even people that boast
they have much more than most, have little. </FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4>Best Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4>Donovan</FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" face=Courier
size=4></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Courier
size=3><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Courier
size=3><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">The harder you
believe in some being the more real he becomes. This is true of all
objects of faith, including Santa Claus.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Courier
size=3><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Ralph</SPAN></FONT></P>
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