[Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord

[keely emerinemix]

I've been reading all of the comments back and forth regarding Christian communion and faith in God, and I concluded, after the Santa Claus prayer posted yesterday, that the discussion had deteriorated beyond what I could hope to remedy.  But I was reading in the O.T. last night and came across this, which I'll submit as my contribution to a discussion I hope regains its respectful footing:

Habakkuk 3:17-18:

Thought the fig tree does not blossom, and no fruit is on the vines; 
though the produce of the olive fails, and the fields yield no food;
though the flock is cut off from the fold, and there is no herd in the stalls,
yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will exult in the God of my salvation.  
For God, the Lord, is my strength.

Keely
http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/




From: josephc at wsu.edu
To: whayman at roadrunner.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:00:56 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fragments of our Lord

I agree. You can't respond to the skeptic and it is silly to try. But this doesn't mean that our most basic beliefs are based on reason. Otherwise there would be something more direct and less poetic to say!

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On Jan 1, 2009, at 8:27 PM, "Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com> wrote:



All this rather reminds me of Johnson's famous literary moment of kicking a 
rock and saying, "Thus I refute Berkeley." A couple hundred years later, someone 
came up with this reply:
 
"Epistemology" by Richard Wilbur
 
I.
Kick at the rock, Sam Johnson, break your bones:
But cloudy, cloudy is the stuff of stones.
 
II.
We milk the cow of the world, and as we do
We  whisper in her ear, “You are not true.”

Warren Hayman
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Joseph Campbell 
  
  To: Art Deco 
  Cc: Vision 2020 
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fragments of 
  our Lord
  

  Evidence is always lacking! If you disagree prove that the external world 
  exists or that the future will be like the past without begging the question. 
  But I wouldn't call what's holding up your beliefs faith either. This is a 
  false dilemma. 
  

  Best, Joe

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On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com> wrote:


  
  
    
    Remember faith is necessary when evidence is 
    lacking.  The less evidence, the stronger faith needed or exhibited by 
    believers, religious, political, social, or otherwise.
     
    W.
    
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: 
      Ralph 
      Nielsen 
      To: Donovan Arnold ; vision 
      2020 
      Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 
      12:55 PM
      Subject: [Vision2020] Fragments of 
      our Lord
      

      Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at 
      yahoo.com 
      Thu Jan 1 11:03:42 PST 2009
      

      Chas,
       
      Most all Christians believe false Gods exist. But there is only one 
      True God. 
       
      I have little faith in God because I am a weak person. But I 
      do believe that He exists. I have to pray for faith that He will do 
      right by me. I resist Him all the time because I want to be free to do 
      what I want for me, not what is right for Him. 
       
      Believing He exists is indisputable because of what I have 
      witnessed and witnessed with others. So that is the easier part for me. I 
      don't think I am special, I think God reveals himself to everyone at some 
      point if He needs to. 
       
      But faith, that is difficult to acquire, even people that boast 
      they have much more than most, have little. 
       
      Best Regards,
       
      Donovan
       
      

      The harder you 
      believe in some being the more real he becomes. This is true of all 
      objects of faith, including Santa Claus.
      Ralph
      
      

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