[Vision2020] Say What?

[Sunil Ramalingam]

As far as I'm concerned, pity has nothing to do with this.  The issue is the unlawful arrest.

http://volokh.com/posts/1248465451.shtml

Both men let their anger override their judgment, but one had the power of the state behind him, and abused it. 

Sunil

> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:44:37 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> 
> I've also stated that I think it's possible that his rights were 
> violated.  If so, then that's a terrible thing.  I still can't drum up a 
> lot of pity for Gates, though, because he let his anger override his 
> common sense.
> 
> I didn't make the connection that he might still have had his ID.  I had 
> just assumed that he had handed it back after making his call.  If he 
> did still have his ID, then he had no choice but to go outside and try 
> to get it back.
> 
> It all depends upon exactly what the law says that he was charged under. 
> 
> Paul
> 
> Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > I think you're missing the points I'm trying to make.
> >
> > I have never said that Crowley shouldn't have investigated.  I have 
> > not and would not suggest anything as absurd as what you suggest here:
> >
> > 'See a black and man and back off for fear of being assumed to be a 
> > racist?'  Of course they should investigate whether or not there was a 
> > break-in.  But once he knew there was not, it was time to leave and 
> > take his injured feelings with him.
> >
> > Look at the police report: 
> > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html
> >
> > On page 2, second paragraph, Crowley writes that with Gates' ID in his 
> > hand, he got on his radio.  He never writes that he returned or set 
> > down the ID, and I'd sure like to know if he had it when he stepped 
> > outside.
> >
> > It's clear from page 2, paragraph 4 that Gates was on his own porch 
> > when he was arrested; he wasn't on the sidewalk, he wasn't on the 
> > street, he was on his own damn porch.  
> >
> > Did Gates lose it? Obviously. I'm guessing he was tired after a long 
> > journey, and pissed that he had to prove he was in his own home.  I 
> > don't know much about him, but I'm guessing that it wasn't his first 
> > dealing with an officer, and that race has affected his life in ways 
> > that I've never experienced. He should have handled things 
> > differently, but bad manners is not criminal. 
> >
> > Unless we are no longer free people, you get to rant in your home, and 
> > on your porch.  You get to Paul, I get to, and Gates gets to.
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:46:57 -0700
> > > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> > >
> > > I can agree with that to a degree. He was leaving, he could have just
> > > let him rant. However, it was only after he had followed him outside
> > > and after he had been warned twice that he actually arrested him. This
> > > leads me to believe that Gates could benefit from an anger 
> > management class.
> > >
> > > It's idiotic anyway, because Crowley wasn't the one that made the
> > > alleged racial gaffe, he wasn't the one that saw a black man trying to
> > > enter a home and made a mistake of racial profiling - as was assumed by
> > > Gates. Therefore, Gates should not have been ranting at him about it.
> > > What was Crowley supposed to do? See a black and man and back off for
> > > fear of being assumed to be a racist?
> > >
> > > I'm not saying the lady that phoned the police was racist, the whole
> > > racist slant comes from Gates and was directed at the wrong person 
> > if it
> > > even had merit.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> >
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