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As far as I'm concerned, pity has nothing to do with this. The issue is the unlawful arrest.<br><br>http://volokh.com/posts/1248465451.shtml<br><br>Both men let their anger override their judgment, but one had the power of the state behind him, and abused it. <br><br>Sunil<br><br>> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:44:37 -0700<br>> From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>> To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> I've also stated that I think it's possible that his rights were <br>> violated. If so, then that's a terrible thing. I still can't drum up a <br>> lot of pity for Gates, though, because he let his anger override his <br>> common sense.<br>> <br>> I didn't make the connection that he might still have had his ID. I had <br>> just assumed that he had handed it back after making his call. If he <br>> did still have his ID, then he had no choice but to go outside and try <br>> to get it back.<br>> <br>> It all depends upon exactly what the law says that he was charged under. <br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>> Sunil Ramalingam wrote:<br>> > Paul,<br>> ><br>> > I think you're missing the points I'm trying to make.<br>> ><br>> > I have never said that Crowley shouldn't have investigated. I have <br>> > not and would not suggest anything as absurd as what you suggest here:<br>> ><br>> > 'See a black and man and back off for fear of being assumed to be a <br>> > racist?' Of course they should investigate whether or not there was a <br>> > break-in. But once he knew there was not, it was time to leave and <br>> > take his injured feelings with him.<br>> ><br>> > Look at the police report: <br>> > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html<br>> ><br>> > On page 2, second paragraph, Crowley writes that with Gates' ID in his <br>> > hand, he got on his radio. He never writes that he returned or set <br>> > down the ID, and I'd sure like to know if he had it when he stepped <br>> > outside.<br>> ><br>> > It's clear from page 2, paragraph 4 that Gates was on his own porch <br>> > when he was arrested; he wasn't on the sidewalk, he wasn't on the <br>> > street, he was on his own damn porch. <br>> ><br>> > Did Gates lose it? Obviously. I'm guessing he was tired after a long <br>> > journey, and pissed that he had to prove he was in his own home. I <br>> > don't know much about him, but I'm guessing that it wasn't his first <br>> > dealing with an officer, and that race has affected his life in ways <br>> > that I've never experienced. He should have handled things <br>> > differently, but bad manners is not criminal. <br>> ><br>> > Unless we are no longer free people, you get to rant in your home, and <br>> > on your porch. You get to Paul, I get to, and Gates gets to.<br>> ><br>> > Sunil<br>> ><br>> > > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:46:57 -0700<br>> > > From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>> > > To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>> > > CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> > ><br>> > > I can agree with that to a degree. He was leaving, he could have just<br>> > > let him rant. However, it was only after he had followed him outside<br>> > > and after he had been warned twice that he actually arrested him. This<br>> > > leads me to believe that Gates could benefit from an anger <br>> > management class.<br>> > ><br>> > > It's idiotic anyway, because Crowley wasn't the one that made the<br>> > > alleged racial gaffe, he wasn't the one that saw a black man trying to<br>> > > enter a home and made a mistake of racial profiling - as was assumed by<br>> > > Gates. Therefore, Gates should not have been ranting at him about it.<br>> > > What was Crowley supposed to do? See a black and man and back off for<br>> > > fear of being assumed to be a racist?<br>> > ><br>> > > I'm not saying the lady that phoned the police was racist, the whole<br>> > > racist slant comes from Gates and was directed at the wrong person <br>> > if it<br>> > > even had merit.<br>> > ><br>> > > Paul<br>> > ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br></body>
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