[Vision2020] Say What?

[Paul Rumelhart]

It depends upon whether Gates really was violating the law or not.  Is 
refusing to let someone who is technically breaking the law slide 
because you are angry an abuse of your power?  It's a dick move, sure, 
but if Gates really was breaking the law then he can't exactly claim 
abuse if he's arrested.

I don't know the specifics of the law he was arrested for.  Is it 
disorderly conduct when you are on your front porch yelling at someone 
who is on the public sidewalk?  I don't know.

Paul

Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> As far as I'm concerned, pity has nothing to do with this.  The issue 
> is the unlawful arrest.
>
> http://volokh.com/posts/1248465451.shtml
>
> Both men let their anger override their judgment, but one had the 
> power of the state behind him, and abused it.
>
> Sunil
>
> > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:44:37 -0700
> > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >
> > I've also stated that I think it's possible that his rights were
> > violated. If so, then that's a terrible thing. I still can't drum up a
> > lot of pity for Gates, though, because he let his anger override his
> > common sense.
> >
> > I didn't make the connection that he might still have had his ID. I had
> > just assumed that he had handed it back after making his call. If he
> > did still have his ID, then he had no choice but to go outside and try
> > to get it back.
> >
> > It all depends upon exactly what the law says that he was charged 
> under.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > I think you're missing the points I'm trying to make.
> > >
> > > I have never said that Crowley shouldn't have investigated. I have
> > > not and would not suggest anything as absurd as what you suggest here:
> > >
> > > 'See a black and man and back off for fear of being assumed to be a
> > > racist?' Of course they should investigate whether or not there was a
> > > break-in. But once he knew there was not, it was time to leave and
> > > take his injured feelings with him.
> > >
> > > Look at the police report:
> > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html
> > >
> > > On page 2, second paragraph, Crowley writes that with Gates' ID in 
> his
> > > hand, he got on his radio. He never writes that he returned or set
> > > down the ID, and I'd sure like to know if he had it when he stepped
> > > outside.
> > >
> > > It's clear from page 2, paragraph 4 that Gates was on his own porch
> > > when he was arrested; he wasn't on the sidewalk, he wasn't on the
> > > street, he was on his own damn porch.
> > >
> > > Did Gates lose it? Obviously. I'm guessing he was tired after a long
> > > journey, and pissed that he had to prove he was in his own home. I
> > > don't know much about him, but I'm guessing that it wasn't his first
> > > dealing with an officer, and that race has affected his life in ways
> > > that I've never experienced. He should have handled things
> > > differently, but bad manners is not criminal.
> > >
> > > Unless we are no longer free people, you get to rant in your home, 
> and
> > > on your porch. You get to Paul, I get to, and Gates gets to.
> > >
> > > Sunil
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:46:57 -0700
> > > > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > > > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> > > >
> > > > I can agree with that to a degree. He was leaving, he could have 
> just
> > > > let him rant. However, it was only after he had followed him outside
> > > > and after he had been warned twice that he actually arrested 
> him. This
> > > > leads me to believe that Gates could benefit from an anger
> > > management class.
> > > >
> > > > It's idiotic anyway, because Crowley wasn't the one that made the
> > > > alleged racial gaffe, he wasn't the one that saw a black man 
> trying to
> > > > enter a home and made a mistake of racial profiling - as was 
> assumed by
> > > > Gates. Therefore, Gates should not have been ranting at him 
> about it.
> > > > What was Crowley supposed to do? See a black and man and back 
> off for
> > > > fear of being assumed to be a racist?
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying the lady that phoned the police was racist, the whole
> > > > racist slant comes from Gates and was directed at the wrong person
> > > if it
> > > > even had merit.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > >
> > > 
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