[Vision2020] SarahPalin's Church Speech: US Troops Sent ToDo God'sWill
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Thu Sep 11 19:06:35 PDT 2008
For the same reason I do almost anything on this forum, Sunil
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From: Sunil Ramalingam
Cc: vision2020
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] SarahPalin's Church Speech: US Troops Sent ToDo God'sWill
Why do you keep calling him Barry, Gary?
Sunil
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From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: starbliss at gmail.com; lfalen at turbonet.com
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:26:13 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] SarahPalin's Church Speech: US Troops Sent To Do God'sWill
Having listened to Mrs. Palin's speech and having read the transcript, it's clear that you are missing the point she was trying to make entirely. In no way did she say that "our leaders were sending our troops to do God's will." What she actually said was:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God, That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
What she was asking for was for her audience to pray for our troops, our country, and that our leaders were making the right decisions by sending our troops (U.S. soldiers) into harms way. (That there IS A PLAN and that plan is God's plan) In other words on a task that is from God as opposed to from fallen and fallible man.
That this incredible amount of time and effort is being expended throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Governor Palin in a desperate effort to find some small thing with which to damage her doesn't speak very highly of Barry's campaign. If she were truly the insignificant and corrupt little mayor from Podunk that everyone on the left was making her out to be this amount of noise would be quite unnecessary. That the libs can speak of nothing else speaks volumes.
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From: Ted Moffett
To: lfalen
Cc: vision2020
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] SarahPalin's Church Speech: US Troops Sent To Do God'sWill
Roger et. al.
For those who have missed it, here again is a link to a YouTube video of Sarah Palin's Wasilla, Alaska church speech, where she discusses our leaders sending our troops to do "God's will:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related
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Roger, thanks for your response.
We sometimes don't agree. But you have never resorted to personal insults to undermine my posts.
Republican Mitt Romney was governor of one of the most "liberal" and Democratic states, Massachusetts, with a huge budget, which he was instrumental in managing wisely. He is a smart businessperson. He is far more qualified than Sarah Palin as McCain's VP choice, but I wonder if he was even seriously considered. I would be much happier with him as a Republican presidential candidate, for that matter, than McCain. But I think his Mormon background was a major negative as a candidate, which it should not have been. Yet witness Sarah Palin's disturbing statements about US troops being sent to do "God's will," which do not appear to be seriously negatively impacting her popularity. As if "God" is in the business of waging war? This is scary thinking...
Ted Moffett
On 9/8/08, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
Ted
You have some good points here. You are probably right that someone who does not belong to a mainstream religion would not be elected. As for me I don't care what there religion is or if they have one. It is they basic philosophy and and values that I am interested in.
Roger
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From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:45:24 -0700
To: vision2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Separation Of Church And State Marginalized: SarahPalin's Church Speech
> Respect for the separation of church and state is not an
> essential criteria that McCain considered when choosing a vice presidential
> candidate, given Sarah Palin's explicit linking of her religion and the
> goals of government. In fact, given the realities of US politics at this
> time in history, any candidate for president or vice president must
> announce, and back up by action, they are a devout Christian, or they will
> have a limited chance of election. Witness Obama's repeated insistence he
> is not Muslim, his emphasis on his Christian faith, and the attacks, by
> those wishing to undermine his campaign, that he has a Muslim background.
>
> Does anyone realistically think a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Wiccan, Atheist
> or Agnostic, would have a chance of election as president? Mitt Romney is
> far more qualified than McCain as CEO of the US, yet who doubts his Mormon
> heritage, viewed by many Christians as questionably "Christian," was a
> negative? Or that any presidential candidate would choose someone
> representing those other spiritual orientations listed, as a VP candidate?
> Certainly Obama's choice of devout Catholic Joe Biden for VP supports this
> theory, though I trust Biden supports the separation of church and state
> more than it appears Palin does.
>
> Religion dominates the US political landscape. It is more prejudicial for a
> candidate for the presidency or VP to be other than Christian as a religious
> orientation, than it is for the candidate to be of a "racial" minority, or
> of the female gender. * *
> **
> *I suppose this is some sort of progress!*
>
> Religion is a dominate form of prejudice in politics. No, I am not offering
> exhaustive research at this time to back up this claim... I have offered
> exhaustive research to this list on other issues, and it is ignored and
> mocked by those with an irrational bias. Nonetheless, this claim appears to
> have merit. Why else does Karl Rove tailor Republican strategy aimed at
> earning the Christian evangelical vote, certainly a partial reason to choose
> Palin?
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related
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