[Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 27 13:24:59 PDT 2008
Maybe you can help me out, then. Say Ayers is still a closet "domestic terrorist". Say he'd really like to be blowing up the Pentagon again, but hasn't the time and besides, his arthritis is bothering him. Say Obama looks to him for advice.
What is the actual fear? What do you think Obama will do as President that is such a horrible thing? Unlock the Pentagon door for him? Sell him weapons like we did during the Iran/Contra affair? Order our military to stand down and open our borders to the Muslim terrorists?
Paul
--- On Mon, 10/27/08, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund
To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>, "No Weatherman" <no.weatherman at gmail.com>
Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:24 AM
Paul
Forget the 8 years old malarkey. The point is, his associate with him when he
was an adult.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:05:28 -0700
To: No Weatherman no.weatherman at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund
> So what is your thesis, here? That Barack Obama is a closet domestic
> terrorist? That he wants to take down the government from the top
> down? That he wants to open our defenses and invite the terrorists in
> to trash our country as they please? I don't get what the
implications
> are of Obama knowing someone else who was a "domestic terrorist"
when
> Obama was eight years old.
>
> What's the actual point you're trying to make?
>
> Paul
>
> No Weatherman wrote:
> > Ms. Lund:
> >
> > I made it clear from the beginning that I had only one objective in
> > this exercise — to force the question of Barack Obama's
long-standing
> > personal and professional relationship with domestic terrorists.
> >
> > Joe Campbell accused my of making a "guilt by association"
argument
> > while he pronounced me "guilty by association" because of
his
> > delusional perception that I belong to a local church. He called me a
> > "neo-Nazi" even though I have decried anti-Semitism with
every other
> > post or so.
> >
> > My objective changed early on when the name calling began in concert
> > with the continued gang banging of Gov Palin. Now I consider myself
> > balance to your catty, shrill, dishonest, disingenuous, and
> > discombobulated and hormonally imbalanced posts as well as Mr.
> > Hansen's and Dr. Gier's.
> >
> > You now claim that you object to the "***quantity***" of my
posts. But
> > this was not the case last month when you wrote this literary
> > masterpiece:
> >
> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-October/057066.html
> >
> > Let's see, you called me a "monster," a "racist
monster . . . puffed
> > with pathetic notions of grandiosity." You called me a
"troll," a
> > "piece of moral slime properly to be shunned by all decent
people."
> > You declared that shunning me was a religious duty of yours lest you
> > be "bad Samaritans" who add to my "hate-mongering
propensities."
> >
> > Funny, though, you never mentioned the "***quantity***" of
my posts.
> >
> > Personally, I think you're unhinged by Palin envy though I would
not
> > begin to speculate why.
> >
> > They say that friends don't let friends drive drunk. You seem to
me to
> > be inebriated by hate for Palin. If I was your friend I'd pull
you off
> > the road ASAP before you end up hurting yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Saundra Lund
<sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >> I think you're completely wrong on this. I think what Tom
and many, many,
> >> many other forum members really object to is the ***quantity***
of the
> >> troll's posts. The anonymous coward made it clear from the
beginning that
> >> he wasn't interested in honest dialogue or debate but rather
in simply
> >> hurling invective and insulting those who disagree with him.
When someone
> >> pointed out to him that the convention in the V2020 living room
was to try
> >> to limit posts to 2-3 per day, he said he'd post as much as
he wanted. And,
> >> he's proceeded to do so: just in October, he's posted
OVER THREE HUNDRED
> >> TIMES. Get a clue: he's nothing more than a cowardly rude
troll with an
> >> agenda to disrupt and destroy this forum with his invective.
> >>
> >> While I refuse to interact with nameless cowards, I also refuse
to allow
> >> this troll to turn this COMMUNITY forum into his own one-sided
playground.
> >> Only when it became undeniable that the troll has absolutely no
respect for
> >> the way the V2020 community works did I start standing up to the
bully by
> >> posting news from the other side, and even then, my
"count" is still way
> >> under a hundred for this month -- and barely over a daily average
of three
> >> posts per day. And, I'll add that I've received more
than a few offlist
> >> responses from folks all along the political spectrum thanking me
for the
> >> articles I've been posting in response to the troll's
firestorm.
> >>
> >> I see your subsequent post where you suggest that people apply
Donovan's
> >> (joking or not) suggestion about dealing with the troll's
record posting
> >> frequency by doing the same to me. Shame on you, Roger --
you've been
> >> around here long enough to know that I am a genuine participant
who has
> >> posted according to our "on our honor" posting
guidelines for years now.
> >>
> >> I do find it telling that you once again come out in defense of
those with
> >> whom you agree while ignoring their multitude transgressions and
insults
> >> against those with whom you disagree.
> >>
> >> So, what -- if any -- suggestions do you have to deal with trolls
like the
> >> one trick pony No Weatherman's attempts to take over this
forum for his own
> >> anti-Obama agenda by posting OVER THREE HUNDRED TIMES in fewer
than 20 days?
> >> He's drowning out legitimate conversation and driving away
list members and
> >> their participation in this COMMUNITY forum, which is
indisputably one of
> >> his goals.
> >>
> >> Yes, you're completely wrong Roger -- those of us who object
to the cowardly
> >> anonymous troll's attempt to take over this forum would be
just as
> >> frustrated by the volume regardless of the topic or political
direction.
> >>
> >>
> >> Saundra Lund
> >> Moscow, ID
> >>
> >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do
> >> nothing.
> >> ~ Edmund Burke
> >>
> >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus
> >> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
reproduce outside
> >> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
the
> >> author.*****
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >> On Behalf Of lfalen
> >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:09 AM
> >> To: No Weatherman; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Visionaires
> >>
> >> Tom apparently only wants left wing views to be aired. Anything
else is
> >> racist and profane. I would like Ton to demonstrate where No
Wheathermans
> >> posts have been any more objectionable than some of his. I
submit that they
> >> are objectionable and profane because he disagrees with the
veiws
> >> expressed. No Wheatherman seems to me to do a petty good job of
> >> documentation when listing facts. Everyone have the right to an
> >> opinion(within reason) without documentation as long as it not
presented as
> >> fact.
> >> Roger
> >>
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