[Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund

[No Weatherman]

Ms. Lund:

I would say, "Bring it on," but I think you already have.

If I'm wrong, though, then let's start with all those Communists,
Socialists, anti-Semites, and America haters that McCain calls
"mentors."

When we're done with that then maybe you'll be willing to discuss all
the Communists, Socialists, anti-Semites, and America haters that
Obama calls "mentors."


On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Sunil,
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> I agree with you, however . . .
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> If Roger thinks an acceptable distinction is adulthood vs childhood
> associations, then he should rightly start discussing McCain's unsavory
> and/or unethical adult associations.  Lord knows there's enough there to
> keep us all busy for a very long time  J
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>
>
> And, perhaps we should all be discussing McCain's adult behavior no matter
> how long ago it was.  Given his adult age, there's a heck of a lot there
> McCain would rather not have dug up . . . again.
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>
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> Of course, I prefer to focus on issues, but if that's the game Roger wants
> to play, then I'm sure we can trust that he'll start in on McCain.
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> Otherwise, his complaints about Obama's adult associations are empty.
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> Saundra Lund
>
> Moscow, ID
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>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
>
> ~ Edmund Burke
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> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus
> 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
> author.*****
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:08 PM
> Cc: Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund
>
>
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> I disagree completely, Roger.  It's malarkey to make an issue out of it now,
> given that Obama's association with Ayers is completely removed from the
> activities that lead to people labeling Ayers a 'terrorist.'
>
> If they were planning the present-day bombing of buildings, then it would be
> an issue.
>
> Sunil
>
>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:24:37 -0700
>> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> To: godshatter at yahoo.com; no.weatherman at gmail.com
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund
>>
>> Paul
>> Forget the 8 years old malarkey. The point is, his associate with him when
>> he was an adult.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:05:28 -0700
>> To: No Weatherman no.weatherman at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Saundra Lund
>>
>> > So what is your thesis, here? That Barack Obama is a closet domestic
>> > terrorist? That he wants to take down the government from the top
>> > down? That he wants to open our defenses and invite the terrorists in
>> > to trash our country as they please? I don't get what the implications
>> > are of Obama knowing someone else who was a "domestic terrorist" when
>> > Obama was eight years old.
>> >
>> > What's the actual point you're trying to make?
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > No Weatherman wrote:
>> > > Ms. Lund:
>> > >
>> > > I made it clear from the beginning that I had only one objective in
>> > > this exercise — to force the question of Barack Obama's long-standing
>> > > personal and professional relationship with domestic terrorists.
>> > >
>> > > Joe Campbell accused my of making a "guilt by association" argument
>> > > while he pronounced me "guilty by association" because of his
>> > > delusional perception that I belong to a local church. He called me a
>> > > "neo-Nazi" even though I have decried anti-Semitism with every other
>> > > post or so.
>> > >
>> > > My objective changed early on when the name calling began in concert
>> > > with the continued gang banging of Gov Palin. Now I consider myself
>> > > balance to your catty, shrill, dishonest, disingenuous, and
>> > > discombobulated and hormonally imbalanced posts as well as Mr.
>> > > Hansen's and Dr. Gier's.
>> > >
>> > > You now claim that you object to the "***quantity***" of my posts. But
>> > > this was not the case last month when you wrote this literary
>> > > masterpiece:
>> > >
>> > > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-October/057066.html
>> > >
>> > > Let's see, you called me a "monster," a "racist monster . . . puffed
>> > > with pathetic notions of grandiosity." You called me a "troll," a
>> > > "piece of moral slime properly to be shunned by all decent people."
>> > > You declared that shunning me was a religious duty of yours lest you
>> > > be "bad Samaritans" who add to my "hate-mongering propensities."
>> > >
>> > > Funny, though, you never mentioned the "***quantity***" of my posts.
>> > >
>> > > Personally, I think you're unhinged by Palin envy though I would not
>> > > begin to speculate why.
>> > >
>> > > They say that friends don't let friends drive drunk. You seem to me to
>> > > be inebriated by hate for Palin. If I was your friend I'd pull you off
>> > > the road ASAP before you end up hurting yourself.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Saundra Lund
>> > > <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Roger,
>> > >>
>> > >> I think you're completely wrong on this. I think what Tom and many,
>> > >> many,
>> > >> many other forum members really object to is the ***quantity*** of
>> > >> the
>> > >> troll's posts. The anonymous coward made it clear from the beginning
>> > >> that
>> > >> he wasn't interested in honest dialogue or debate but rather in
>> > >> simply
>> > >> hurling invective and insulting those who disagree with him. When
>> > >> someone
>> > >> pointed out to him that the convention in the V2020 living room was
>> > >> to try
>> > >> to limit posts to 2-3 per day, he said he'd post as much as he
>> > >> wanted. And,
>> > >> he's proceeded to do so: just in October, he's posted OVER THREE
>> > >> HUNDRED
>> > >> TIMES. Get a clue: he's nothing more than a cowardly rude troll with
>> > >> an
>> > >> agenda to disrupt and destroy this forum with his invective.
>> > >>
>> > >> While I refuse to interact with nameless cowards, I also refuse to
>> > >> allow
>> > >> this troll to turn this COMMUNITY forum into his own one-sided
>> > >> playground.
>> > >> Only when it became undeniable that the troll has absolutely no
>> > >> respect for
>> > >> the way the V2020 community works did I start standing up to the
>> > >> bully by
>> > >> posting news from the other side, and even then, my "count" is still
>> > >> way
>> > >> under a hundred for this month -- and barely over a daily average of
>> > >> three
>> > >> posts per day. And, I'll add that I've received more than a few
>> > >> offlist
>> > >> responses from folks all along the political spectrum thanking me for
>> > >> the
>> > >> articles I've been posting in response to the troll's firestorm.
>> > >>
>> > >> I see your subsequent post where you suggest that people apply
>> > >> Donovan's
>> > >> (joking or not) suggestion about dealing with the troll's record
>> > >> posting
>> > >> frequency by doing the same to me. Shame on you, Roger -- you've been
>> > >> around here long enough to know that I am a genuine participant who
>> > >> has
>> > >> posted according to our "on our honor" posting guidelines for years
>> > >> now.
>> > >>
>> > >> I do find it telling that you once again come out in defense of those
>> > >> with
>> > >> whom you agree while ignoring their multitude transgressions and
>> > >> insults
>> > >> against those with whom you disagree.
>> > >>
>> > >> So, what -- if any -- suggestions do you have to deal with trolls
>> > >> like the
>> > >> one trick pony No Weatherman's attempts to take over this forum for
>> > >> his own
>> > >> anti-Obama agenda by posting OVER THREE HUNDRED TIMES in fewer than
>> > >> 20 days?
>> > >> He's drowning out legitimate conversation and driving away list
>> > >> members and
>> > >> their participation in this COMMUNITY forum, which is indisputably
>> > >> one of
>> > >> his goals.
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes, you're completely wrong Roger -- those of us who object to the
>> > >> cowardly
>> > >> anonymous troll's attempt to take over this forum would be just as
>> > >> frustrated by the volume regardless of the topic or political
>> > >> direction.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Saundra Lund
>> > >> Moscow, ID
>> > >>
>> > >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
>> > >> to do
>> > >> nothing.
>> > >> ~ Edmund Burke
>> > >>
>> > >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through
>> > >> life plus
>> > >> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
>> > >> outside
>> > >> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
>> > >> author.*****
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> > >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> > >> On Behalf Of lfalen
>> > >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:09 AM
>> > >> To: No Weatherman; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Plea to Visionaires
>> > >>
>> > >> Tom apparently only wants left wing views to be aired. Anything else
>> > >> is
>> > >> racist and profane. I would like Ton to demonstrate where No
>> > >> Wheathermans
>> > >> posts have been any more objectionable than some of his. I submit
>> > >> that they
>> > >> are objectionable and profane because he disagrees with the veiws
>> > >> expressed. No Wheatherman seems to me to do a petty good job of
>> > >> documentation when listing facts. Everyone have the right to an
>> > >> opinion(within reason) without documentation as long as it not
>> > >> presented as
>> > >> fact.
>> > >> Roger
>> > >>
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