[Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood Fundraising

Thu Oct 2 21:44:12 PDT 2008

And, for balance, I provide:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/709/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/711/

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

Sorry to confuse you with facts – I know that’s difficult for you.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

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From: Jeff Harkins [mailto:jeffh at moscow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:40 PM
To: Saundra Lund
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood
Fundraising

Thank you so much for referencing the NRAPVF cite.

Many Idahoans will be interested to see their current headline banner:

Obama Campaign <http://www.nrapvf.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=11588&T=1>
Threatens Legal Action to Take Down NRA Ads 

Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to
news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his
anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political
Victory Fund (NRA-PVF). The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun
running. 

“Barack Obama and his campaign are terrified of the truth,” declared Chris
W. Cox, Chairman of NRA-PVF. “Sen. Obama's statements and support for
restricting access to firearms, raising taxes on guns and ammunition and
voting against the use of firearms for self-defense in the home are a matter
of public record. NRA-PVF will make sure that everyone knows of Obama's
abysmal record on guns and hunting.” 

It is rather clear that you don't understand the problem.  Can't really help
you with that - perhaps read all the posts again.

But I didn't see any problem with the NRA fundraising efforts - straight
forward stuff - give your name and contact information and give your money.
Typical 527 structure.  You get your name noted as a donor.  I did not see
any promo encouraging me to donate in honor of someone else - especially
someone who dislikes guns.  If they did encourage that I would have the same
concerns as I have over the Palin issue.

As to trying to tell you what charities to support - where do you get that?

I don't give one toot who you give your money too (although you should
seriously consider the NRA);-)) - I just ask that you give it without
"honoring" someone who you know is opposed to the objectives of your
charity.

Geez Louise - take a breather Saundra - you'll hurt yourself.

At 08:59 PM 10/2/2008, you wrote:

Jeff Harkins wrote:
"To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah Palin
is a false and malicious statement.  The intent is to malign the Vice
Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin."

Harkins' shrill nonsense was aptly answered by Joe Campbell:
"Lastly, I don't have a problem with the fundraising campaign nor with the
fact that donators are asked to "list the address of the McCain campaign
headquarters or the Alaska governor's office." For crying out loud the woman
is running for VP of the US. Citizens have the right to let her and McCain
know how they fell about the topic."

Exactly so.

Especially curious to me is why people like Harkins & Crabtree are so rabid
in their responses to those of us who are discussing Palin's anti-choice
rhetoric when she bills herself as "unapologetically pro-life"?  An
especially reactionary anti-choice stance, BTW, that includes opposition to
emergency contraceptives for women, including rape and incest survivors.

Once possible conclusion for their reactions to be so completely over the
top could be that they are scared silly by those of us who are able to think
past Palin's carefully scripted -- indeed, monotonous -- talking points.
They hoped we'd be foolish enough to be blinded by personality rather than
focusing on the issues, and they remain ticked that tactic didn't work  :-) 

OTOH, maybe Harkins is just terribly confused.  Perhaps he's confused the
NRA's official campaign  to malign Vice Presidential Candidate Senator
Barack Obama with the efforts of over 31,000 individual US citizens' efforts
to put their money where their mouths are with respect to privacy,
reproductive rights, and family planning.  I don't see how any rational
person could make such a mistake, but who knows?  I invite readers to check
out this site "Paid for by the NRA Political Victory Fund (www .NRAPVF.org)
Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee" and decide for
yourselves if Harkins' undies-twisted outrage isn't perhaps more applicable
to this:
http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3ed0bbc-26c7-462d-af87-56ed

8857ac4c&SiteGuid=c63367a2-996a-422c-9afd-0d6f49a0ca86
OR
http://tinyurl.com/NRA-Anti-Obama

Of course, I'll not be holding my breath for either of them to condemn the
NRA's official fundraising tactics . . . 

But, I will be thanking God that it's not up to the Harkins' of the world to
tell me what charities are worthy of my support.

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus
70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [ <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Jeff Harkins
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:17 AM
To: Chasuk
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood
Fundraising

Chasuk,

I use an older dictionary - probably because I am older.

Defame - to attack or injure the reputation or honor of by false and 
malicious statements; malign, slander or libel.
[Webster's New World, 3rd College Edition, 1988]

To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah 
Palin is a false and malicious statement.  The intent is to malign 
the Vice Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin.

It is interesting that we agree on the vendetta against Christ 
Church, e.g., counterproductive and hypocritical.

At 08:45 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote:
>On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 19:54, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> > An obvious attack on Gov. Palin's character and her values.  Read 
> carefully,
> > you could spare a lot of energy.
>
>I do read carefully, but I also know what "defame" means,  when it it
>apparent that you don't.
>
>  > Tell you what - let's start a campaign, in
>  your name, to provide donations to Christ Church.  Are you in?
>
>Certainly.  I would be honored.  I'm not a member of the
>I-hate-Doug-tribe.  The beliefs and practices of Kirkers are no more
>alarming than the beliefs or practices of numerous Roman Catholics or
>Mormons in Moscow, so I consider the entire vendetta counterproductive
>and hypocritical.

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