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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And,
for balance, I provide:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/709/">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/709/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/711/">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/711/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html">http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sorry
to confuse you with facts – I know that’s difficult for you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jeff Harkins
[mailto:jeffh@moscow.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood
Fundraising<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thank you so much for referencing the NRAPVF cite.<br>
<br>
Many Idahoans will be interested to see their current headline banner:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.nrapvf.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=11588&T=1">Obama Campaign
Threatens Legal Action to Take Down NRA Ads</a> <br>
</span></b><br>
<span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Sen. Barack Obama's
presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in
Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored
by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF). The kicker?
NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running. <br>
</span><br>
<span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>“Barack Obama and his
campaign are terrified of the truth,” declared Chris W. Cox, Chairman of
NRA-PVF. “Sen. Obama's statements and support for restricting access to
firearms, raising taxes on guns and ammunition and voting against the use of
firearms for self-defense in the home are a matter of public record. NRA-PVF
will make sure that everyone knows of Obama's abysmal record on guns and
hunting.” </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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It is rather clear that you don't understand the problem. Can't really
help you with that - perhaps read all the posts again.<br>
<br>
But I didn't see any problem with the NRA fundraising efforts - straight
forward stuff - give your name and contact information and give your
money. Typical 527 structure. You get your name noted as a
donor. I did not see any promo encouraging me to donate in honor of
someone else - especially someone who dislikes guns. If they did
encourage that I would have the same concerns as I have over the Palin issue.<br>
<br>
As to trying to tell you what charities to support - where do you get that?<br>
<br>
I don't give one toot who you give your money too (although you should
seriously consider the NRA);-)) - I just ask that you give it without
"honoring" someone who you know is opposed to the objectives of your
charity.<br>
<br>
Geez Louise - take a breather Saundra - you'll hurt yourself.<br>
<br>
At 08:59 PM 10/2/2008, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Jeff Harkins wrote:<br>
"To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah
Palin<br>
is a false and malicious statement. The intent is to malign the Vice<br>
Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin."<br>
<br>
Harkins' shrill nonsense was aptly answered by Joe Campbell:<br>
"Lastly, I don't have a problem with the fundraising campaign nor with the<br>
fact that donators are asked to "list the address of the McCain campaign<br>
headquarters or the Alaska governor's office." For crying out loud the
woman<br>
is running for VP of the US. Citizens have the right to let her and McCain<br>
know how they fell about the topic."<br>
<br>
Exactly so.<br>
<br>
Especially curious to me is why people like Harkins & Crabtree are so rabid<br>
in their responses to those of us who are discussing Palin's anti-choice<br>
rhetoric when she bills herself as "unapologetically pro-life"?
An<br>
especially reactionary anti-choice stance, BTW, that includes opposition to<br>
emergency contraceptives for women, including rape and incest survivors.<br>
<br>
Once possible conclusion for their reactions to be so completely over the<br>
top could be that they are scared silly by those of us who are able to think<br>
past Palin's carefully scripted -- indeed, monotonous -- talking points.<br>
They hoped we'd be foolish enough to be blinded by personality rather than<br>
focusing on the issues, and they remain ticked that tactic didn't work
:-) <br>
<br>
OTOH, maybe Harkins is just terribly confused. Perhaps he's confused the<br>
NRA's official campaign to malign Vice Presidential Candidate Senator<br>
Barack Obama with the efforts of over 31,000 individual US citizens' efforts<br>
to put their money where their mouths are with respect to privacy,<br>
reproductive rights, and family planning. I don't see how any rational<br>
person could make such a mistake, but who knows? I invite readers to
check<br>
out this site "Paid for by the NRA Political Victory Fund (www
.NRAPVF.org)<br>
Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee" and decide for<br>
yourselves if Harkins' undies-twisted outrage isn't perhaps more applicable<br>
to this:<br>
<a
href="http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3ed0bbc-26c7-462d-af87-56ed">http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3ed0bbc-26c7-462d-af87-56ed</a>
<br>
8857ac4c&SiteGuid=c63367a2-996a-422c-9afd-0d6f49a0ca86<br>
OR<br>
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/NRA-Anti-Obama">http://tinyurl.com/NRA-Anti-Obama</a><br>
<br>
Of course, I'll not be holding my breath for either of them to condemn the<br>
NRA's official fundraising tactics . . . <br>
<br>
But, I will be thanking God that it's not up to the Harkins' of the world to<br>
tell me what charities are worthy of my support.<br>
<br>
<br>
Saundra Lund<br>
Moscow, ID<br>
<br>
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>
nothing.<br>
~ Edmund Burke<br>
<br>
***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus<br>
70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
outside<br>
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<br>
author.*****<br>
<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [<a
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">
mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Jeff Harkins<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:17 AM<br>
To: Chasuk<br>
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palin Candidacy Helps Planned Parenthood<br>
Fundraising<br>
<br>
Chasuk,<br>
<br>
I use an older dictionary - probably because I am older.<br>
<br>
Defame - to attack or injure the reputation or honor of by false and <br>
malicious statements; malign, slander or libel.<br>
[Webster's New World, 3rd College Edition, 1988]<br>
<br>
To claim a donation to Planned Parenthood was to honor Governor Sarah <br>
Palin is a false and malicious statement. The intent is to malign <br>
the Vice Presidential Candidate Gov. Sarah Palin.<br>
<br>
It is interesting that we agree on the vendetta against Christ <br>
Church, e.g., counterproductive and hypocritical.<br>
<br>
At 08:45 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote:<br>
>On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 19:54, Jeff Harkins <jeffh@moscow.com> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > An obvious attack on Gov. Palin's character and her values.
Read <br>
> carefully,<br>
> > you could spare a lot of energy.<br>
><br>
>I do read carefully, but I also know what "defame" means,
when it it<br>
>apparent that you don't.<br>
><br>
> > Tell you what - let's start a campaign, in<br>
> your name, to provide donations to Christ Church. Are you in?<br>
><br>
>Certainly. I would be honored. I'm not a member of the<br>
>I-hate-Doug-tribe. The beliefs and practices of Kirkers are no more<br>
>alarming than the beliefs or practices of numerous Roman Catholics or<br>
>Mormons in Moscow, so I consider the entire vendetta counterproductive<br>
>and hypocritical.<br>
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