[Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama

Sat Nov 1 06:53:59 PDT 2008

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Ellen A. Roskovich
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:39:58 -0700> From: no.weatherman at gmail.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> > Ms Roskovich:> > Good summary.> > But I think you're wrong on this one:> > "And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii> and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the> world and attended schools in other countries . . . he's good to go.> I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of> lawyers."> > No one has established with certainty Obama's place of birth.> > Problem 1: His grandmother says it was Kenya and he says it was Hawaii.> > Problem 2: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when> Indonesia naturalized him because Indonesia does not allow dual> citizenship.> > Problem 3: If he reapplied for USC (assuming he had NBC status), could> he recover his NBC status or would he be a USC?> > If he wins, a multitude of lawyers will be forced to hash this out> because the question's never been asked let alone answered.> > And if the question of NBC hangs on "divided loyalties," then I think it's over.> > He can't argue that his loyalties are not divided.> > Case in point: Odinga.> > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks. But I also think the law might be> > a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis. I would hope I> > was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it matters> > now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has never> > expressed any desire to run for office. Getting her very own passport for> > the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when the> > clerk at Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth> > issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in Seattle> > that she "has no proof of citizenship".> >> > Because this could drag on and on in a back and> > forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London> > right up front 40 years ago.> >> > As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in the> > U.K. My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth was> > in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K. Maybe the Status of> > Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case. Also, my first> > husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen. So only> > one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen. A very> > serious government official took me in his office and stressed the> > importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was> > "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United States> > for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28. That's when I> > asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".> >> > So that's the story in a nutshell.> >> > And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably assigned> > to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . . so> > he's good to go. And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state> > of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around> > the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go. I'm> > sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.> >> > So. . . . go vote. And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little> > smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a citizen.> >> > Ellen A. Roskovich> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700> > From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;> > gussie443 at hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> >> > Donovan's understanding accords with mine. If one of your parents was a US> > Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of where> > you were born.> > Bruce Livingston> >> > -----Original message-----> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443 at hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> >> Ellen,> >>> >> As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born citizen> >> of the United States if they were;> >>> >> A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory.> >>> >> B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their birth> >> but born on foreign soil.> >>> >> A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone who> >> became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or> >> Vice-President.> >>> >> Best Regards,> >>> >> Donovan> >>> >> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:> >>> >> From: Ellen Roskovich> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com> >> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> #yiv2119640095 .hmmessage P> >> {> >> margin:0px;padding:0px;}> >> #yiv2119640095 {> >> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}> >>> >> I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in> >> Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I get> >> a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule? Because my oldest daughter was born in> >> the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I registered> >> her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for> >> President and I was told "no". Of course I might have had a clerk who> >> didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that> >> question.> >>> >> Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that> >> McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.> >>> >> Ellen A. Roskovich> >>> >> P.S. Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get> >> out to vote.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700> >> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> >> Subject: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments against> >> Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.> >>> >> McCain was born in Panama.> >>> >> Best Regards,> >>> >> Donovan> >>> >>> >>> >> You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. 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