[Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama

Sat Nov 1 07:02:11 PDT 2008

Ms. Roskovich:

These concerns have been raised in courts all over the land.

I am simply distilling the arguments into soundbite size.

And I am not going away until my final broadcast on election eve, that
is, unless somebody provokes me.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Please contact the State Department with your concerns.  It is your duty and
> we cannot help you.
>
> Now go away.
>
> Ellen A. Roskovich
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:39:58 -0700
>> From: no.weatherman at gmail.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>>
>> Ms Roskovich:
>>
>> Good summary.
>>
>> But I think you're wrong on this one:
>>
>> "And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii
>> and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the
>> world and attended schools in other countries . . . he's good to go.
>> I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of
>> lawyers."
>>
>> No one has established with certainty Obama's place of birth.
>>
>> Problem 1: His grandmother says it was Kenya and he says it was Hawaii.
>>
>> Problem 2: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when
>> Indonesia naturalized him because Indonesia does not allow dual
>> citizenship.
>>
>> Problem 3: If he reapplied for USC (assuming he had NBC status), could
>> he recover his NBC status or would he be a USC?
>>
>> If he wins, a multitude of lawyers will be forced to hash this out
>> because the question's never been asked let alone answered.
>>
>> And if the question of NBC hangs on "divided loyalties," then I think it's
>> over.
>>
>> He can't argue that his loyalties are not divided.
>>
>> Case in point: Odinga.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks. But I also think the law might
>> > be
>> > a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis. I would
>> > hope I
>> > was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it
>> > matters
>> > now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has
>> > never
>> > expressed any desire to run for office. Getting her very own passport
>> > for
>> > the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when
>> > the
>> > clerk at Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth
>> > issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in
>> > Seattle
>> > that she "has no proof of citizenship".
>> >
>> > Because this could drag on and on in a back and
>> > forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London
>> > right up front 40 years ago.
>> >
>> > As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in
>> > the
>> > U.K. My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth
>> > was
>> > in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K. Maybe the Status
>> > of
>> > Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case. Also, my
>> > first
>> > husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen. So only
>> > one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen. A very
>> > serious government official took me in his office and stressed the
>> > importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was
>> > "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United
>> > States
>> > for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28. That's when I
>> > asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".
>> >
>> > So that's the story in a nutshell.
>> >
>> > And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably
>> > assigned
>> > to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . .
>> > so
>> > he's good to go. And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the
>> > state
>> > of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way
>> > around
>> > the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go.
>> > I'm
>> > sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.
>> >
>> > So. . . . go vote. And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little
>> > smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a
>> > citizen.
>> >
>> > Ellen A. Roskovich
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700
>> > From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com
>> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
>> > gussie443 at hotmail.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>> >
>> >
>> > Donovan's understanding accords with mine. If one of your parents was a
>> > US
>> > Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of
>> > where
>> > you were born.
>> > Bruce Livingston
>> >
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443 at hotmail.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>> >
>> >> Ellen,
>> >>
>> >> As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born
>> >> citizen
>> >> of the United States if they were;
>> >>
>> >> A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory.
>> >>
>> >> B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their
>> >> birth
>> >> but born on foreign soil.
>> >>
>> >> A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone
>> >> who
>> >> became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or
>> >> Vice-President.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Donovan
>> >>
>> >> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:
>> >>
>> >> From: Ellen Roskovich
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>> >> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in
>> >> Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I
>> >> get
>> >> a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule? Because my oldest daughter was born
>> >> in
>> >> the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I
>> >> registered
>> >> her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for
>> >> President and I was told "no". Of course I might have had a clerk who
>> >> didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that
>> >> question.
>> >>
>> >> Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that
>> >> McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.
>> >>
>> >> Ellen A. Roskovich
>> >>
>> >> P.S. Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get
>> >> out to vote.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700
>> >> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments
>> >> against
>> >> Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.
>> >>
>> >> McCain was born in Panama.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Donovan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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