[Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama

Sat Nov 1 07:15:05 PDT 2008

 And I am not going away until my final broadcast on election eve, that> is, unless somebody provokes me.
What a strange way to put it. . . your "final broadcast"?

Well, at least there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Ellen A. Roskovich
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:02:11 -0700> From: no.weatherman at gmail.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> > Ms. Roskovich:> > These concerns have been raised in courts all over the land.> > I am simply distilling the arguments into soundbite size.> > And I am not going away until my final broadcast on election eve, that> is, unless somebody provokes me.> > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > Please contact the State Department with your concerns. It is your duty and> > we cannot help you.> >> > Now go away.> >> > Ellen A. Roskovich> >> >> >> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:39:58 -0700> >> From: no.weatherman at gmail.com> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >>> >> Ms Roskovich:> >>> >> Good summary.> >>> >> But I think you're wrong on this one:> >>> >> "And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii> >> and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the> >> world and attended schools in other countries . . . he's good to go.> >> I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of> >> lawyers."> >>> >> No one has established with certainty Obama's place of birth.> >>> >> Problem 1: His grandmother says it was Kenya and he says it was Hawaii.> >>> >> Problem 2: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when> >> Indonesia naturalized him because Indonesia does not allow dual> >> citizenship.> >>> >> Problem 3: If he reapplied for USC (assuming he had NBC status), could> >> he recover his NBC status or would he be a USC?> >>> >> If he wins, a multitude of lawyers will be forced to hash this out> >> because the question's never been asked let alone answered.> >>> >> And if the question of NBC hangs on "divided loyalties," then I think it's> >> over.> >>> >> He can't argue that his loyalties are not divided.> >>> >> Case in point: Odinga.> >>> >>> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>> >> wrote:> >> > Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks. But I also think the law might> >> > be> >> > a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis. I would> >> > hope I> >> > was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it> >> > matters> >> > now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has> >> > never> >> > expressed any desire to run for office. Getting her very own passport> >> > for> >> > the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when> >> > the> >> > clerk at Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth> >> > issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in> >> > Seattle> >> > that she "has no proof of citizenship".> >> >> >> > Because this could drag on and on in a back and> >> > forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London> >> > right up front 40 years ago.> >> >> >> > As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in> >> > the> >> > U.K. My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth> >> > was> >> > in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K. Maybe the Status> >> > of> >> > Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case. Also, my> >> > first> >> > husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen. So only> >> > one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen. A very> >> > serious government official took me in his office and stressed the> >> > importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was> >> > "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United> >> > States> >> > for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28. That's when I> >> > asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".> >> >> >> > So that's the story in a nutshell.> >> >> >> > And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably> >> > assigned> >> > to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . .> >> > so> >> > he's good to go. And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the> >> > state> >> > of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way> >> > around> >> > the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go.> >> > I'm> >> > sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.> >> >> >> > So. . . . go vote. And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little> >> > smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a> >> > citizen.> >> >> >> > Ellen A. Roskovich> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> >> > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700> >> > From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com> >> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;> >> > gussie443 at hotmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> >> >> >> >> > Donovan's understanding accords with mine. If one of your parents was a> >> > US> >> > Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of> >> > where> >> > you were born.> >> > Bruce Livingston> >> >> >> > -----Original message-----> >> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> >> > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700> >> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443 at hotmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> >> >> >> Ellen,> >> >>> >> >> As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born> >> >> citizen> >> >> of the United States if they were;> >> >>> >> >> A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory.> >> >>> >> >> B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their> >> >> birth> >> >> but born on foreign soil.> >> >>> >> >> A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone> >> >> who> >> >> became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or> >> >> Vice-President.> >> >>> >> >> Best Regards,> >> >>> >> >> Donovan> >> >>> >> >> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:> >> >>> >> >> From: Ellen Roskovich> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> >> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com> >> >> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> #yiv2119640095 .hmmessage P> >> >> {> >> >> margin:0px;padding:0px;}> >> >> #yiv2119640095 {> >> >> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}> >> >>> >> >> I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in> >> >> Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I> >> >> get> >> >> a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule? Because my oldest daughter was born> >> >> in> >> >> the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I> >> >> registered> >> >> her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for> >> >> President and I was told "no". Of course I might have had a clerk who> >> >> didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that> >> >> question.> >> >>> >> >> Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that> >> >> McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.> >> >>> >> >> Ellen A. Roskovich> >> >>> >> >> P.S. Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get> >> >> out to vote.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700> >> >> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> >> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> >> >> Subject: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments> >> >> against> >> >> Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.> >> >>> >> >> McCain was born in Panama.> >> >>> >> >> Best Regards,> >> >>> >> >> Donovan> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. 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