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<STRONG></STRONG> And I am not going away until my final broadcast on election eve, that<BR>> is, unless somebody provokes me.<BR><BR>
<STRONG>What a strange way to put it. . . your "final broadcast"?</STRONG><BR>
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<STRONG>Well, at least there's a light at the end of the tunnel.</STRONG><BR>
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<STRONG>Ellen A. Roskovich</STRONG><BR>
<BR><BR>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:02:11 -0700<BR>> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> <BR>> Ms. Roskovich:<BR>> <BR>> These concerns have been raised in courts all over the land.<BR>> <BR>> I am simply distilling the arguments into soundbite size.<BR>> <BR>> And I am not going away until my final broadcast on election eve, that<BR>> is, unless somebody provokes me.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>> > Please contact the State Department with your concerns. It is your duty and<BR>> > we cannot help you.<BR>> ><BR>> > Now go away.<BR>> ><BR>> > Ellen A. Roskovich<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:39:58 -0700<BR>> >> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<BR>> >> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> >><BR>> >> Ms Roskovich:<BR>> >><BR>> >> Good summary.<BR>> >><BR>> >> But I think you're wrong on this one:<BR>> >><BR>> >> "And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii<BR>> >> and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the<BR>> >> world and attended schools in other countries . . . he's good to go.<BR>> >> I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of<BR>> >> lawyers."<BR>> >><BR>> >> No one has established with certainty Obama's place of birth.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Problem 1: His grandmother says it was Kenya and he says it was Hawaii.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Problem 2: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when<BR>> >> Indonesia naturalized him because Indonesia does not allow dual<BR>> >> citizenship.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Problem 3: If he reapplied for USC (assuming he had NBC status), could<BR>> >> he recover his NBC status or would he be a USC?<BR>> >><BR>> >> If he wins, a multitude of lawyers will be forced to hash this out<BR>> >> because the question's never been asked let alone answered.<BR>> >><BR>> >> And if the question of NBC hangs on "divided loyalties," then I think it's<BR>> >> over.<BR>> >><BR>> >> He can't argue that his loyalties are not divided.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Case in point: Odinga.<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443@hotmail.com><BR>> >> wrote:<BR>> >> > Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks. But I also think the law might<BR>> >> > be<BR>> >> > a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis. I would<BR>> >> > hope I<BR>> >> > was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it<BR>> >> > matters<BR>> >> > now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has<BR>> >> > never<BR>> >> > expressed any desire to run for office. Getting her very own passport<BR>> >> > for<BR>> >> > the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when<BR>> >> > the<BR>> >> > clerk at Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth<BR>> >> > issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in<BR>> >> > Seattle<BR>> >> > that she "has no proof of citizenship".<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Because this could drag on and on in a back and<BR>> >> > forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London<BR>> >> > right up front 40 years ago.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in<BR>> >> > the<BR>> >> > U.K. My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth<BR>> >> > was<BR>> >> > in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K. Maybe the Status<BR>> >> > of<BR>> >> > Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case. Also, my<BR>> >> > first<BR>> >> > husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen. So only<BR>> >> > one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen. A very<BR>> >> > serious government official took me in his office and stressed the<BR>> >> > importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was<BR>> >> > "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United<BR>> >> > States<BR>> >> > for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28. That's when I<BR>> >> > asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > So that's the story in a nutshell.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably<BR>> >> > assigned<BR>> >> > to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . .<BR>> >> > so<BR>> >> > he's good to go. And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the<BR>> >> > state<BR>> >> > of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way<BR>> >> > around<BR>> >> > the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go.<BR>> >> > I'm<BR>> >> > sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > So. . . . go vote. And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little<BR>> >> > smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a<BR>> >> > citizen.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Ellen A. Roskovich<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > ________________________________<BR>> >> > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700<BR>> >> > From: jeanlivingston@turbonet.com<BR>> >> > To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; vision2020@moscow.com;<BR>> >> > gussie443@hotmail.com<BR>> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Donovan's understanding accords with mine. If one of your parents was a<BR>> >> > US<BR>> >> > Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of<BR>> >> > where<BR>> >> > you were born.<BR>> >> > Bruce Livingston<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > -----Original message-----<BR>> >> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> >> > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700<BR>> >> > To: vision2020@moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443@hotmail.com<BR>> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> >> Ellen,<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born<BR>> >> >> citizen<BR>> >> >> of the United States if they were;<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their<BR>> >> >> birth<BR>> >> >> but born on foreign soil.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone<BR>> >> >> who<BR>> >> >> became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or<BR>> >> >> Vice-President.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> Best Regards,<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> Donovan<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> From: Ellen Roskovich<BR>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> >> >> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> >> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> #yiv2119640095 .hmmessage P<BR>> >> >> {<BR>> >> >> margin:0px;padding:0px;}<BR>> >> >> #yiv2119640095 {<BR>> >> >> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in<BR>> >> >> Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I<BR>> >> >> get<BR>> >> >> a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule? Because my oldest daughter was born<BR>> >> >> in<BR>> >> >> the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I<BR>> >> >> registered<BR>> >> >> her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for<BR>> >> >> President and I was told "no". Of course I might have had a clerk who<BR>> >> >> didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that<BR>> >> >> question.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that<BR>> >> >> McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> Ellen A. Roskovich<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >> P.S. 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