[Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama

Sat Nov 1 06:39:58 PDT 2008

Ms Roskovich:

Good summary.

But I think you're wrong on this one:

"And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii
and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the
world and attended schools in other countries . . . he's good to go.
I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of
lawyers."

No one has established with certainty Obama's place of birth.

Problem 1: His grandmother says it was Kenya and he says it was Hawaii.

Problem 2: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when
Indonesia naturalized him because Indonesia does not allow dual
citizenship.

Problem 3: If he reapplied for USC (assuming he had NBC status), could
he recover his NBC status or would he be a USC?

If he wins, a multitude of lawyers will be forced to hash this out
because the question's never been asked let alone answered.

And if the question of NBC hangs on "divided loyalties," then I think it's over.

He can't argue that his loyalties are not divided.

Case in point: Odinga.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks.  But I also  think the law might be
> a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis.  I would hope I
> was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it matters
> now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has never
> expressed any desire to run for office.  Getting her very own passport for
> the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when the
> clerk at  Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth
> issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in Seattle
> that she "has no proof of citizenship".
>
> Because this could drag on and on in a back and
> forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London
> right up front 40 years ago.
>
> As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in the
> U.K.  My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth was
> in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K.  Maybe the Status of
> Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case.  Also, my first
> husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen.  So only
> one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen.  A very
> serious government official took me in his office and stressed the
> importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was
> "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United States
> for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28.  That's when I
> asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".
>
> So that's the story in a nutshell.
>
> And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably assigned
> to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . . so
> he's good to go.  And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state
> of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around
> the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go.  I'm
> sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.
>
> So. . . . go vote.  And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little
> smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a citizen.
>
> Ellen A. Roskovich
>
>
>
>
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> ________________________________
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700
> From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
> gussie443 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>
>
> Donovan's understanding accords with mine.  If one of your parents was a US
> Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of where
> you were born.
> Bruce Livingston
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>
>> Ellen,
>>
>> As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born citizen
>> of the United States if they were;
>>
>> A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory.
>>
>> B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their birth
>> but born on foreign soil.
>>
>> A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone who
>> became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or
>> Vice-President.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:
>>
>> From: Ellen Roskovich
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM
>>
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>> I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in
>> Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I get
>> a little fuzzy.  Is this a new rule?  Because my oldest daughter was born in
>> the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I registered
>> her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for
>> President and I was told "no".  Of course I might have had a clerk who
>> didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that
>> question.
>>
>> Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that
>> McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.
>>
>> Ellen A. Roskovich
>>
>> P.S.  Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get
>> out to vote.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700
>> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments against
>> Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.
>>
>> McCain was born in Panama.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>>
>>
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