<html>
<head>
<style>
.hmmessage P
{
margin:0px;
padding:0px
}
body.hmmessage
{
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma
}
</style>
</head>
<body class='hmmessage'>
<STRONG>Please contact the State Department with your concerns. It is your duty and we cannot help you.</STRONG><BR>
<STRONG></STRONG> <BR>
<STRONG>Now go away.</STRONG><BR>
<STRONG></STRONG> <BR>
<STRONG>Ellen A. Roskovich</STRONG><BR>
<BR><BR>> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 06:39:58 -0700<BR>> From: no.weatherman@gmail.com<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> <BR>> Ms Roskovich:<BR>> <BR>> Good summary.<BR>> <BR>> But I think you're wrong on this one:<BR>> <BR>> "And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state of Hawaii<BR>> and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around the<BR>> world and attended schools in other countries . . . he's good to go.<BR>> I'm sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of<BR>> lawyers."<BR>> <BR>> No one has established with certainty Obama's place of birth.<BR>> <BR>> Problem 1: His grandmother says it was Kenya and he says it was Hawaii.<BR>> <BR>> Problem 2: If he was born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when<BR>> Indonesia naturalized him because Indonesia does not allow dual<BR>> citizenship.<BR>> <BR>> Problem 3: If he reapplied for USC (assuming he had NBC status), could<BR>> he recover his NBC status or would he be a USC?<BR>> <BR>> If he wins, a multitude of lawyers will be forced to hash this out<BR>> because the question's never been asked let alone answered.<BR>> <BR>> And if the question of NBC hangs on "divided loyalties," then I think it's over.<BR>> <BR>> He can't argue that his loyalties are not divided.<BR>> <BR>> Case in point: Odinga.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Ellen Roskovich <gussie443@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>> > Yep. . . . that's what everyone thinks. But I also think the law might be<BR>> > a little more complicated than that on a case by case basis. I would hope I<BR>> > was given the correct info in London 40 years ago. . . . not that it matters<BR>> > now because we jumped through all the hoops necessary and Kathleen has never<BR>> > expressed any desire to run for office. Getting her very own passport for<BR>> > the first time was an interesting experience though. . . especially when the<BR>> > clerk at Latah County courthouse, holding a certified copy of her birth<BR>> > issued from the archives at Washington, D.C., tells immigration in Seattle<BR>> > that she "has no proof of citizenship".<BR>> ><BR>> > Because this could drag on and on in a back and<BR>> > forth unnecessary discussion, I will tell you what I was told in London<BR>> > right up front 40 years ago.<BR>> ><BR>> > As I stated before. . . Kathleen was born in a U.S. military hospital in the<BR>> > U.K. My first husband was in the military and at the time of her birth was<BR>> > in Vietnam and not assigned to a base there in the U.K. Maybe the Status of<BR>> > Forces Agreement doesn't apply in the same way in this case. Also, my first<BR>> > husband was born outside the U.S. and was a naturalized citizen. So only<BR>> > one of Kathleen's parents was a natural born citizen. A very<BR>> > serious government official took me in his office and stressed the<BR>> > importance of me understanding that my daughter's citizenship was<BR>> > "conditional" at this time and she would have to reside in the United States<BR>> > for seven consecutive years between the ages of 14 and 28. That's when I<BR>> > asked if she could ever become president and I was told "no".<BR>> ><BR>> > So that's the story in a nutshell.<BR>> ><BR>> > And in mulling it all over I would guess McCain's dad was probably assigned<BR>> > to duty in Panama and both his parents were natural born citizens. . . . so<BR>> > he's good to go. And Obama was born to a natural born mother in the state<BR>> > of Hawaii and it doesn't matter if he was dragged as a kid half-way around<BR>> > the world and attended schools in other countries. . . he's good to go. I'm<BR>> > sure this has been hashed out years ago by a multitude of lawyers.<BR>> ><BR>> > So. . . . go vote. And after you vote for that one, you'll have a little<BR>> > smile on your face because you've just exercised your right as a citizen.<BR>> ><BR>> > Ellen A. Roskovich<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ________________________________<BR>> > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:34:07 -0700<BR>> > From: jeanlivingston@turbonet.com<BR>> > To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; vision2020@moscow.com;<BR>> > gussie443@hotmail.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan's understanding accords with mine. If one of your parents was a US<BR>> > Citizen when you were born, then you are a citizen, too, regardless of where<BR>> > you were born.<BR>> > Bruce Livingston<BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original message-----<BR>> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:46:01 -0700<BR>> > To: vision2020@moscow.com, Ellen Roskovich gussie443@hotmail.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> ><BR>> >> Ellen,<BR>> >><BR>> >> As I understand the law (,8 USC 1401) a person is a natural born citizen<BR>> >> of the United States if they were;<BR>> >><BR>> >> A) Born on US soil. Any state or territory.<BR>> >><BR>> >> B) Either one of their parents was a US Citizen at the time of their birth<BR>> >> but born on foreign soil.<BR>> >><BR>> >> A naturalized citizen is one that is not a US citizen at birth. Anyone who<BR>> >> became a citizen later on in life is not allowed to be President or<BR>> >> Vice-President.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Best Regards,<BR>> >><BR>> >> Donovan<BR>> >><BR>> >> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Ellen Roskovich wrote:<BR>> >><BR>> >> From: Ellen Roskovich<BR>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> >> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:25 PM<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> #yiv2119640095 .hmmessage P<BR>> >> {<BR>> >> margin:0px;padding:0px;}<BR>> >> #yiv2119640095 {<BR>> >> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}<BR>> >><BR>> >> I have read that since he, McCain, was born in a U.S. Naval Hospital in<BR>> >> Panama, he is considered a native born citizen. . . and this is where I get<BR>> >> a little fuzzy. Is this a new rule? Because my oldest daughter was born in<BR>> >> the U.K. at RAF Lakenheath, a U.S. Airforce Hospital and when I registered<BR>> >> her birth at the U.S. Embassy in London, I asked if she could run for<BR>> >> President and I was told "no". Of course I might have had a clerk who<BR>> >> didn't know the rules, but surely I wasn't the first person to ask that<BR>> >> question.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Like I said. . . . I'm a little fuzzy about the qualifications of that<BR>> >> McCain guy, but last time I checked, Hawaii was a state.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Ellen A. Roskovich<BR>> >><BR>> >> P.S. Avoid lines, vote early and then spend Tuesday helping others get<BR>> >> out to vote.<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:06:54 -0700<BR>> >> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> >> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] John McCain not Born in US, But Panama<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> John McCain was not born in the US. and using Republican arguments against<BR>> >> Obama, McCain is thus not qualified to be President.<BR>> >><BR>> >> McCain was born in Panama.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Best Regards,<BR>> >><BR>> >> Donovan<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. See how<BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> >> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> ><BR>> > ________________________________<BR>> > Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. Start<BR>> > uploading now<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR><BR><br /><hr />Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. <a href='http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008' target='_new'>Start uploading now</a></body>
</html>