[Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death

[Donovan Arnold]

Ralph,
   
  "If people knew that there is no life after death, only life before death, they would live their lives more realistically."
  
 
  Tell us how you know for fact that there is no life after death? Curious, how someone could possibly know that?
   
  Best Regards,
   
  Donovan

Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
  [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sat May 17 23:19:30 PDT 2008

Ted,

"The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). This is a basic belief of 
Christianity, not cults, as you profess. Without that belief Jesus's 
sacrifice would have been pointless. Everyone one of use acts or sins 
against God. And because of that, we all deserve death. Jesus died 
for our sins so we do not have to suffer our deserved punishment.

[snip] Best Regards,

Donovan


Ted Moffett wrote:
Donovan Arnold, or whoever, wrote:

http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-May/053886.html

I think everyone deserves death Joe. As everyone is a sinner. But 
only through the grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus do we live.
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This statement represents the kind of thinking that makes 
religious cults dangerous, no matter what religion is supporting this 
extremism.
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RALPH NIELSEN
You have a good point there, Ted. If people knew that there is no 
life after death, only life before death, they would live their lives 
more realistically.

And if the religionists would read the Bible more carefully, they 
would know that there is no life after death. The Hebrew Bible (O.T. 
in Xian propaganda) had it right. An ancient writer explained it this 
way. He had the God Yahweh (the LORD) tell the first man, "By the 
sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the 
ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you 
shall return" (Genesis 3:19).

This straightforward statement about human mortality was taken out of 
context by Xians and twisted into a sorry tale about human depravity 
in the theological theory of Original Sin. They perverted the ancient 
Adam and Eve story into a sick yarn about hereditary punishment for 
all of their descendants for all time.

Death is a fact of life for all beings. Neither humans nor any other 
animals are destined to live forever. The ancient Hebrews knew this too.

"Then the LORD God said, "See the man has become like one of us, 
knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take 
also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"---therefore 
the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the 
ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man; and at the east 
of the garden of Eden he paced the cherubim, and a sword flaming and 
turning to guard the way to the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24).

The ancient Hebrew writer is simply explaining why we don't live 
forever. We are not being punished for anybody's sin; we most 
certainly do not "deserve death," as Xian sickos love to proclaim. We 
are products of the planet earth; we are made of dust and to dust we 
shall return.

So be it.






       
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