[Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death

[keely emerinemix]

> From: nielsen at uidaho.edu> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:51:17 -0700> To: Vision2020 at moscow.com> CC: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death> > [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.> > Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> Sat May 17 23:19:30 PDT 2008> > Ted,> > "The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). This is a basic belief of > Christianity, not cults, as you profess. Without that belief Jesus's > sacrifice would have been pointless. Everyone one of use acts or sins > against God. And because of that, we all deserve death. Jesus died > for our sins so we do not have to suffer our deserved punishment.> > [snip] Best Regards,> > Donovan> > > Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:> Donovan Arnold, or whoever, wrote:> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-May/053886.html> > I think everyone deserves death Joe. As everyone is a sinner. But > only through the grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus do we live.> --------------> This statement represents the kind of thinking that makes > religious cults dangerous, no matter what religion is supporting this > extremism.> --------------> RALPH NIELSEN> You have a good point there, Ted. If people knew that there is no > life after death, only life before death, they would live their lives > more realistically.> > And if the religionists would read the Bible more carefully, they > would know that there is no life after death. The Hebrew Bible (O.T. > in Xian propaganda) had it right. An ancient writer explained it this > way. He had the God Yahweh (the LORD) tell the first man, "By the > sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the > ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you > shall return" (Genesis 3:19).> > This straightforward statement about human mortality was taken out of > context by Xians and twisted into a sorry tale about human depravity > in the theological theory of Original Sin. They perverted the ancient > Adam and Eve story into a sick yarn about hereditary punishment for > all of their descendants for all time.> > Death is a fact of life for all beings. Neither humans nor any other > animals are destined to live forever. The ancient Hebrews knew this too.> > "Then the LORD God said, "See the man has become like one of us, > knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take > also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"---therefore > the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the > ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man; and at the east > of the garden of Eden he paced the cherubim, and a sword flaming and > turning to guard the way to the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24).> > The ancient Hebrew writer is simply explaining why we don't live > forever. We are not being punished for anybody's sin; we most > certainly do not "deserve death," as Xian sickos love to proclaim. We > are products of the planet earth; we are made of dust and to dust we > shall return.> > So be it.> > I'm on the road in a little diner in Pomeroy, but I'll point out that the verse is Romans 3:23, not 6:23, and that the sinful state of all human beings is a cornerstone of Christian doctrine.  The singling out of "sodomites" and others for death, as in a theonomic version of the millennium, isn't.
 
More later, I imagine,
 
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