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<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> From: nielsen@uidaho.edu<BR>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:51:17 -0700<BR>> To: Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> CC: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death<BR>> <BR>> [Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.<BR>> <BR>> Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<BR>> Sat May 17 23:19:30 PDT 2008<BR>> <BR>> Ted,<BR>> <BR>> "The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). This is a basic belief of <BR>> Christianity, not cults, as you profess. Without that belief Jesus's <BR>> sacrifice would have been pointless. Everyone one of use acts or sins <BR>> against God. And because of that, we all deserve death. Jesus died <BR>> for our sins so we do not have to suffer our deserved punishment.<BR>> <BR>> [snip] Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> Donovan Arnold, or whoever, wrote:<BR>> <BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-May/053886.html<BR>> <BR>> I think everyone deserves death Joe. As everyone is a sinner. But <BR>> only through the grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus do we live.<BR>> --------------<BR>> This statement represents the kind of thinking that makes <BR>> religious cults dangerous, no matter what religion is supporting this <BR>> extremism.<BR>> --------------<BR>> RALPH NIELSEN<BR>> You have a good point there, Ted. If people knew that there is no <BR>> life after death, only life before death, they would live their lives <BR>> more realistically.<BR>> <BR>> And if the religionists would read the Bible more carefully, they <BR>> would know that there is no life after death. The Hebrew Bible (O.T. <BR>> in Xian propaganda) had it right. An ancient writer explained it this <BR>> way. He had the God Yahweh (the LORD) tell the first man, "By the <BR>> sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the <BR>> ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you <BR>> shall return" (Genesis 3:19).<BR>> <BR>> This straightforward statement about human mortality was taken out of <BR>> context by Xians and twisted into a sorry tale about human depravity <BR>> in the theological theory of Original Sin. They perverted the ancient <BR>> Adam and Eve story into a sick yarn about hereditary punishment for <BR>> all of their descendants for all time.<BR>> <BR>> Death is a fact of life for all beings. Neither humans nor any other <BR>> animals are destined to live forever. The ancient Hebrews knew this too.<BR>> <BR>> "Then the LORD God said, "See the man has become like one of us, <BR>> knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take <BR>> also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"---therefore <BR>> the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the <BR>> ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man; and at the east <BR>> of the garden of Eden he paced the cherubim, and a sword flaming and <BR>> turning to guard the way to the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24).<BR>> <BR>> The ancient Hebrew writer is simply explaining why we don't live <BR>> forever. We are not being punished for anybody's sin; we most <BR>> certainly do not "deserve death," as Xian sickos love to proclaim. We <BR>> are products of the planet earth; we are made of dust and to dust we <BR>> shall return.<BR>> <BR>> So be it.<BR>> <BR>> I'm on the road in a little diner in Pomeroy, but I'll point out that the verse is Romans 3:23, not 6:23, and that the sinful state of all human beings is a cornerstone of Christian doctrine. The singling out of "sodomites" and others for death, as in a theonomic version of the millennium, isn't.<BR>
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