[Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death

[Ralph Nielsen]

[Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sat May 17 23:19:30 PDT 2008

Ted,

   "The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). This is a basic belief of  
Christianity, not cults, as you profess. Without that belief Jesus's  
sacrifice would have been pointless. Everyone one of use acts or sins  
against God. And because of that, we all deserve death. Jesus died  
for our sins so we do not have to suffer our deserved punishment.

[snip]  Best Regards,

Donovan


Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
     Donovan Arnold, or whoever, wrote:

   http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-May/053886.html

   I think everyone deserves death Joe. As everyone is a sinner.  But  
only through the grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus do we live.
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   This statement represents the kind of thinking that makes  
religious cults dangerous, no matter what religion is supporting this  
extremism.
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RALPH NIELSEN
You have a good point there, Ted. If people knew that there is no  
life after death, only life before death, they would live their lives  
more realistically.

And if the religionists would read the Bible more carefully, they  
would know that there is no life after death. The Hebrew Bible (O.T.  
in Xian propaganda) had it right. An ancient writer explained it this  
way. He had the God Yahweh (the LORD) tell the first man, "By the  
sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the  
ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you  
shall return" (Genesis 3:19).

This straightforward statement about human mortality was taken out of  
context by Xians and twisted into a sorry tale about human depravity  
in the theological theory of Original Sin. They perverted the ancient  
Adam and Eve story into a sick yarn about hereditary punishment for  
all of their descendants for all time.

Death is a fact of life for all beings. Neither humans nor any other  
animals are destined to live forever. The ancient Hebrews knew this too.

"Then the LORD God said, "See the man has become like one of us,  
knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take  
also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"---therefore  
the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the  
ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man; and at the east  
of the garden of Eden he paced the cherubim, and a sword flaming and  
turning to guard the way to the tree of life  (Genesis 3:22-24).

The ancient Hebrew writer is simply explaining why we don't live  
forever. We are not being punished for anybody's sin; we most  
certainly do not "deserve death," as Xian sickos love to proclaim. We  
are products of the planet earth; we are made of dust and to dust we  
shall return.

So be it.