<DIV>Ralph,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"If people knew that there is no life after death, only life before death, they would live their lives more realistically."</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Tell us how you know for fact that there is no life after death? Curious, how someone could possibly know that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">[Vision2020] Say What? Everyone Deserves Death.<BR><BR>Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<BR>Sat May 17 23:19:30 PDT 2008<BR><BR>Ted,<BR><BR>"The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). This is a basic belief of <BR>Christianity, not cults, as you profess. Without that belief Jesus's <BR>sacrifice would have been pointless. Everyone one of use acts or sins <BR>against God. And because of that, we all
deserve death. Jesus died <BR>for our sins so we do not have to suffer our deserved punishment.<BR><BR>[snip] Best Regards,<BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR><BR>Ted Moffett <STARBLISS gmail.com at>wrote:<BR>Donovan Arnold, or whoever, wrote:<BR><BR>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-May/053886.html<BR><BR>I think everyone deserves death Joe. As everyone is a sinner. But <BR>only through the grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus do we live.<BR>--------------<BR>This statement represents the kind of thinking that makes <BR>religious cults dangerous, no matter what religion is supporting this <BR>extremism.<BR>--------------<BR>RALPH NIELSEN<BR>You have a good point there, Ted. If people knew that there is no <BR>life after death, only life before death, they would live their lives <BR>more realistically.<BR><BR>And if the religionists would read the Bible more carefully, they <BR>would know that there is no life after death. The Hebrew Bible (O.T. <BR>in Xian
propaganda) had it right. An ancient writer explained it this <BR>way. He had the God Yahweh (the LORD) tell the first man, "By the <BR>sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the <BR>ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you <BR>shall return" (Genesis 3:19).<BR><BR>This straightforward statement about human mortality was taken out of <BR>context by Xians and twisted into a sorry tale about human depravity <BR>in the theological theory of Original Sin. They perverted the ancient <BR>Adam and Eve story into a sick yarn about hereditary punishment for <BR>all of their descendants for all time.<BR><BR>Death is a fact of life for all beings. Neither humans nor any other <BR>animals are destined to live forever. The ancient Hebrews knew this too.<BR><BR>"Then the LORD God said, "See the man has become like one of us, <BR>knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take <BR>also from the tree of life, and eat, and
live forever"---therefore <BR>the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the <BR>ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man; and at the east <BR>of the garden of Eden he paced the cherubim, and a sword flaming and <BR>turning to guard the way to the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24).<BR><BR>The ancient Hebrew writer is simply explaining why we don't live <BR>forever. We are not being punished for anybody's sin; we most <BR>certainly do not "deserve death," as Xian sickos love to proclaim. We <BR>are products of the planet earth; we are made of dust and to dust we <BR>shall return.<BR><BR>So be it.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>