[Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15

Tue May 13 17:59:41 PDT 2008

"In the fruit salad, the components are clearly distinct; ethnic boundaries are intact, and reflexively "rooted" identities are secure and stable"

In this world, my daughter would not exist. The "ethnic boundaries" would not have allowed for a Euro/Native American/Latina child because the "ethnic boundaries" would have been crossed.
(Euro/Latina is redundant, Spain, which conquered much of the Americas, is a European country)
So, lets see, a white guy with a German surname, Eiselein, marries a woman with a Spanish surname, Rodriguez, who's father is a full blooded Coeur d'Alene, and they produce a child that fits into none of the "ethnic boundaries" and "rooted identities" thereby screwing up the flavor of the entire freaking "salad".
Reminds me of a story I read a long time ago in which a white father was explaining was explaining to his child how apartheid was like a parfait, with distinct lines and levels (With clear/white being at the top, of course.) I would be at the top, my ex would be much lower, but above blacks, and our daughter would be somewhere between us.
Sorry, not buying it. This 'fruit salad" rationale has too much potential to lead straight back to apartheid and Jim Crow.

From: Sunil Ramalingam 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:23 PM
Cc: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15

I don't think anyone's saying 'Separate,' Kai.  I'll bet Chas does say 'Equal,' though.

Sunil

> From: editor at lataheagle.com
> To: chasuk at gmail.com; hend5953 at vandals.uidaho.edu
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:53:13 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15
> 
> Fruit salad? Or to put it more simply, "Separate, but equal"?
> 
> 
> Now, where have I heard that before?????
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:36 PM
> To: "Mo Hendrickson" <hend5953 at vandals.uidaho.edu>
> Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; 
> <vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15
> 
> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Donovan Arnold
> > <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> asked:
> >
> >> Why are some people so obsessed with a person's gender, race, religion, 
> >> and
> >> sexual orientation? Does it matter?
> >
> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mo Hendrickson
> > <hend5953 at vandals.uidaho.edu> replied:
> >
> >> It is important that we realize the inherent worth in all people
> >> for what they have to contribute to the betterment of our nation and 
> >> world.
> >
> > And:
> >
> >> We all should be trying to make spaces for diversity to enter
> >> into the conversation so that one day we won't need to rely on those
> >> categories.
> >
> > For Mo's first point, unconditional agreement. For his latter point,
> > I provisionally agree, as long as we are not talking about
> > homogenizing those categories to the point that they are nonexistent.
> > I'm not a melting pot proponent (an assimilationist). I'm a fruit
> > salad proponent (a multiculturalist). The Mauritian Catholic priest
> > Henri Souchon spoke of fruit salad and fruit compote. I wish I could
> > quote him directly, but I am depressingly monolingual. But I can
> > quote from someone who explicates his point very well:
> >
> > http://folk.uio.no/geirthe/Multiculturalism.html
> >
> > "... Souchon sees two possible scenarios for Mauritius regarding the
> > relationship between ethnic boundaries and the formation of identity
> > categories oblivious to ethnicity. He calls them the fruit salad and
> > the fruit compote, respectively. In the fruit salad, the components
> > are clearly distinct; ethnic boundaries are intact, and reflexively
> > "rooted" identites are secure and stable. In the fruit compote, on the
> > other hand, the different fruits are squashed and mixed together with
> > substantial use of force. (This metaphor, it may be noted, is a
> > variant of the American melting pot metaphor.) The result of the
> > compote de fruit, in père Souchon's view, would be uprootedness,
> > nihilism and confusion. He himself therefore supports the fruit salad
> > variety..."
> >
> > I was in a bookstore in Vancouver, B.C. a few years ago and read some
> > translated Souchon expressing these ideas, and they spoke to my
> > cosmopolitan soul. I've thought of myself as a fruit salad guy ever
> > since.
> >
> > Chas
> >
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> Kai Eiselein
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