[Vision2020] Support for veterans

[Matt Decker]

Chas,

Yes PSTD has been around forever. I am focusing on the USA side of it though. To assume that PSTD is a result of a soldiers actions, seems to me a little naive. There are many documented cases of soldiers having PSTD even though they are in rear/safe areas. For instance nurses and doctors. 

Dave's statements seemed to imply that our troops bring on their own suffering, which is way out of the ballpark. 

I would like to see what Dave has to say about it though. Maybe we can come to common ground.

Matt

> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:01:12 -0800
> From: chasuk at gmail.com
> To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support for veterans
> CC: tiedye at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Are you really stating that if " I believe it is mostly the guilt of their
> > actions that causes PTSD"? If so how do you justify the fine members of the
> > armed forces in the battles held within the last 300 years. Should I remind
> > you of ww2 or even the revolutionary war?
> 
> I've tried to unfold this paragraph, but I can't.  Just to clarify,
> PTSD has existed for as long as there has been war, and arguably for
> as long as there have been traumatic experiences.  Sigmund Freud
> diagnosed it in WWI veterans.  Then, it was popularly known as shell
> shock.  Before WWI, I don't know what it was called,  but its defining
> criteria are as follows (from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of
> Mental Disorders IV, cribbed from Wikipedia):
> 
> A. Exposure to a traumatic event
> B. Persistent reexperience
> C. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma
> D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (e.g. difficulty falling
> or staying asleep or hypervigilance)
> E. Duration of symptoms more than 1 month
> F. Significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important
> areas of functioning
> 
> > Even if you are stating that this war is unjust, are you suggesting that
> > warriors shouldn't receive care? WTF over.
> 
> Dave hijacked the thread, which is an actionable offense (just
> kidding, Dave), but nowhere does he imply that veterans shouldn't
> receive care.
> 
> Chas

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