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Chas,<br><br>Yes PSTD has been around forever. I am focusing on the USA side of it though. To assume that PSTD is a result of a soldiers actions, seems to me a little naive. There are many documented cases of soldiers having PSTD even though they are in rear/safe areas. For instance nurses and doctors. <br><br>Dave's statements seemed to imply that our troops bring on their own suffering, which is way out of the ballpark. <br><br>I would like to see what Dave has to say about it though. Maybe we can come to common ground.<br><br>Matt<br><br>> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:01:12 -0800<br>> From: chasuk@gmail.com<br>> To: mattd2107@hotmail.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support for veterans<br>> CC: tiedye@turbonet.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> <br>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Matt Decker <mattd2107@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Are you really stating that if " I believe it is mostly the guilt of their<br>> > actions that causes PTSD"? If so how do you justify the fine members of the<br>> > armed forces in the battles held within the last 300 years. Should I remind<br>> > you of ww2 or even the revolutionary war?<br>> <br>> I've tried to unfold this paragraph, but I can't. Just to clarify,<br>> PTSD has existed for as long as there has been war, and arguably for<br>> as long as there have been traumatic experiences. Sigmund Freud<br>> diagnosed it in WWI veterans. Then, it was popularly known as shell<br>> shock. Before WWI, I don't know what it was called, but its defining<br>> criteria are as follows (from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of<br>> Mental Disorders IV, cribbed from Wikipedia):<br>> <br>> A. Exposure to a traumatic event<br>> B. Persistent reexperience<br>> C. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma<br>> D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (e.g. difficulty falling<br>> or staying asleep or hypervigilance)<br>> E. Duration of symptoms more than 1 month<br>> F. Significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important<br>> areas of functioning<br>> <br>> > Even if you are stating that this war is unjust, are you suggesting that<br>> > warriors shouldn't receive care? WTF over.<br>> <br>> Dave hijacked the thread, which is an actionable offense (just<br>> kidding, Dave), but nowhere does he imply that veterans shouldn't<br>> receive care.<br>> <br>> Chas<br><br /><hr />Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. <a href='http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008' target='_new'>Get it now!</a></body>
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