[Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Sat Sep 15 12:38:57 PDT 2007

Again, you are SO wrong.  The Mormons, the Nazerenes, the Catholics, etc. all own a very, very small piece of Moscow - exactly all that they use and nothing more.  NOT ONE OF THEM IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA!!!!  The Mormons, for example, went to the far border of Moscow and are totally out of the main street and THEY PAY TAXES on any of their businesses.  They do NOT fall back on "I'm running a religious business" to become tax exempt, such as the CC group does.  And NEVER ONCE HAVE THEY GONE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL OR COMMITTEES DEMANDING SPECIAL TREATMENTS OR SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, SUCH AS THE CC HAVE AND CONTINUE TO DO.  

Just look at the mess on N Polk.  Now they want a new PUD so they can add day-basements to homes that they already have special permits for, had lied to get (remember the retirement community they were going to build?  That lasted exactly as long as it took to get the PUD and not a minute longer.  NOW they are not even bothering to hide the fact that these will all be boarding houses for NSA.) and are totally trying to overrun that entire area to get put in.  Remember the Fire Lane was supposed to stay off-limits and they were NOT to use it as a "private driveway" to Dougie's house?  Well, two weeks ago they removed the ballasts in an attempt to do just that and got caught.  Yes, they were made to put them back, but they are boo-hooing to the City and Council to get them out permanently.  The Council SPECIFICALLY stated they were NOT to use that as a private drive and Dougie (through his poor wife who has to go through the "muck and mud to get to (her) house") is crying about all the torn up property and driveway he has to maneuver through.  You'd think the "developer" would have properly planned for the eventuality of Dougie's driveway needing access through the construction site - but it just proves Mike Hoffman really does not know what he is doing...BIG surprise there!

Big question there for ya, Mike - just what is it you are doing bringing in all that excess dirt just to scoop it up and remove it again?  Can't decide or tell just kinda grade you're supposed to have?  Got an idea for ya - HIRE A REAL SURVEYOR TO DO IT FOR YOU!!!  Shoot, hire a REAL construction team while you're at it.  Get all done the right way.

Get your facts straight, Pat....geez - never mind.  Forgot who I was addressing, for a minute there.

J  :]

From: pkraut at moscow.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:19:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

And, I would ask if you are aware of how much property is 
owned by groups or individuals in this area that have nothing to do with CC? The 
catholic church? The Mormons? The whoever?? This is persecution of one group 
against whom you have a personal vendetta and has nothing to do with the 
community as a whole...get over it!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  g. 
  crabtree 
  To: J Ford ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:02 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of 
  Developers of the Palouse LLC

  J:] says:

  "... Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he 
  "disclosed" that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly 
  did not realize were the true buyers."

  I don't know if that is true or not. Perhaps you could 
  provide a cite. I don't know Mr. Bebee well but he doesn't strike me as a 
  fool. Perhaps you are wrong about his purported claim or perhaps he thought he 
  was selling the property to Mr. Hoffman, a man who does buy property in 
  downtown Moscow that isn't connected with your favorite bump in the night. 
  Either way I'm still sure that there is no requirement that you or the 
  community at large be kept apprised of the ins and outs of the transaction. As 
  to where the money comes from this to is not a matter for public scrutiny 
  either. Did you look into the particulars regarding the latest LDS 
  construction project on War Bonnet or the Baptists effort on Fairview and 
  report breathlessly on their financial arrangements? Who sold the property to 
  who and where the money to pay for it came from? I thought not.

  "Its only a matter of a year and I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will be 
  requesting the City Council to allow them to expand to over 200 students, the 
  current amount allowed."

  I don't know what this has to do with the topic at hand 
  but, I would have to say that I don't see why they should wait a year. They 
  have complied with the city councils requirements for parking and should be 
  allowed to immediately expand to their maximum allowed enrolment.

  What all of this looks like to me is various 
  combinations of people with land, money, expertise and desire combining to try 
  and make a living and make Moscow a better place to live while they're at 
  it. I don't see where guilt or innocence enters into the picture.

  g

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: 
    J 
    Ford 
    To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
    Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:30 
    AM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of 
    Developers of the Palouse LLC

Ah, yes...generally the scenario you set up is fine and 
    dandy.  But, Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he "disclosed" 
    that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly did not 
    realize were the true buyers.  AND, if it truly was a sale that was on 
    the up-and-up, why did it go through one buyer before it went to the "real" 
    buyer, that being CC or Dougie?  Why the subterfuges?  And if this 
    "group with money to spend" truly has money to spend, why the scramble for 
    the members to raise more and more by selling and down sizing?  Most 
    buyers would have the sense to have money in pocket before a sale goes 
    through so they don't get caught with their pants around the ankles and 
    nothing to show for it.  Dougie has been on a campaign all over his 
    "kingdom" raising funds and getting people to commit to both the buying of 
    the property across from Gritman for his "cathedral" as well as getting new 
    kirker blood into Moscow and into his new development on N Polk.  And 
    now he wants to change the PUD for THAT property in order to allow for more 
    borders to get into those new houses.

Its only a matter of a year and 
    I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will be requesting the City Council to allow 
    them to expand to over 200 students, the current amount allowed.

And 
    just to clear the air, since you seem to have all the answers - why is it 
    that Rick and his bunch are now fronting the new development in the 
    County?  Last year, the petition was filed by Mike Hoffman.  Why 
    the switch?  Hmmm.......seems like a lot of back-room-fanagaling going 
    on between those two groups.

But, like you said - one group has money 
    and another has property....all this looks innocent to you?

J 
    :]

      From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; 
      vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:18:46 -0700
Subject: 
      Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

      So what, exactly is there to be unhappy about? A 
      group with money to spend and a group with property to sell got 
      together and transacted a mutually agreeable business deal. I don't 
      think that it's currently necessary to poll the community before 
      finalizing this kind of arrangement, at least not yet. With out a 
      change in city governance this November it's hard telling what we might 
      end up being subjected to. It's not difficult imagining Nancy, queen of 
      the naught and her like minded henchmen being only too happy to review 
      private transactions and withhold their stamp of approval from anything 
      that doesn't meet their anti growth, anti business, left wing 
      agenda.

      g

        ----- 
        Original Message ----- 
        From: 
        J 
        Ford 
        To: 
        vision2020 at moscow.com 
        Sent: 
        Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:12 AM
        Subject: 
        Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Which absolutely proves what I was told earlier this week 
        - Rick Beebe DID know who was buying his property across from 
        Gritman.  He figured if he played the poor fool that was jerked off 
        by Dougie and his bunch, people would look the other way on his other 
        projects.  In other words, he's playing the "sympathy card".  
        Too bad, Rick - people so know what 
        you did and are NOT happy. 

Wonder if the IRS is aware that 
        you're back to your old tricks?  

J :]

          From: dfrench at moscow.com
To: whayman at roadrummer.com; 
          vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:34:11 
          -0700
Subject: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse 
          LLC

          The answer is:

          Larry Germer, Richard Beebe, Jeff Eisinger, Karl 
          Tyler, according to records filed with the Idaho Secretary of State 

          (here's the link: http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?ScriptForm.startstep=viewentity&ScriptForm.startScriptForm.start.ScriptStepView.viewentityFILEvalue=W46038 )

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:52:04 -0700
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          "Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com>
Subject: 
          Re: [Vision2020] Amended Agenda for the Latah 
          County
ZoningCommission Special and Regular Meetings September 19, 
          2007
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<vision2020 at moscow.com>, 
          "Aimee Shipman" <ashipman at latah.id.us>
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Does anyone know 
          who Developers of the Palouse, LLC is?

Warren 
        Hayman

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