[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 14 18:37:21 PDT 2007

I think I'm leaning towards Mr. Crabtree on this one.  Someone you don't 
like just bought some property, and you (and a lot of other people) are 
raising a fuss about it.  The only criteria for this seems to be that 
you don't like the individual involved or the organization he 
represents.  Now you are holding him to task because he went through a 
frontman in an attempt to not be stigmatized during the sale based 
solely on who he is or what organization he represents.  It's a pity 
that  he (allegedly) had to hide his identity in order to be taken 
seriously.  We should be asking questions about why this one man is not 
being given a fair shake in a negotiation.  Shouldn't we be asking hard 
questions about how prejudice is affecting this person?  Shouldn't we be 
up in arms because someone is being unfairly treated because of their 
religious affiliation?

If you don't want his church to grow bigger, that's one thing.  You can 
wish for whatever you like.  But he has the right to buy property 
without being treated as a second-class citizen.  His money is as good 
as yours or mine.


J Ford wrote:
> Ah, yes...generally the scenario you set up is fine and dandy.  But, 
> Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he "disclosed" that he had 
> been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly did not realize 
> were the true buyers.  AND, if it truly was a sale that was on the 
> up-and-up, why did it go through one buyer before it went to the 
> "real" buyer, that being CC or Dougie?  Why the subterfuges?  And if 
> this "group with money to spend" truly has money to spend, why the 
> scramble for the members to raise more and more by selling and down 
> sizing?  Most buyers would have the sense to have money in pocket 
> before a sale goes through so they don't get caught with their pants 
> around the ankles and nothing to show for it.  Dougie has been on a 
> campaign all over his "kingdom" raising funds and getting people to 
> commit to both the buying of the property across from Gritman for his 
> "cathedral" as well as getting new kirker blood into Moscow and into 
> his new development on N Polk.  And now he wants to change the PUD for 
> THAT property in order to allow for more borders to get into those new 
> houses.
> Its only a matter of a year and I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will be 
> requesting the City Council to allow them to expand to over 200 
> students, the current amount allowed.
> And just to clear the air, since you seem to have all the answers - 
> why is it that Rick and his bunch are now fronting the new development 
> in the County?  Last year, the petition was filed by Mike Hoffman.  
> Why the switch?  Hmmm.......seems like a lot of back-room-fanagaling 
> going on between those two groups.
> But, like you said - one group has money and another has 
> property....all this looks innocent to you?
> J :]
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>     From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>     To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>     Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:18:46 -0700
>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
>     So what, exactly is there to be unhappy about? A group with money
>     to spend and a group with property to sell got together
>     and transacted a mutually agreeable business deal. I don't think
>     that it's currently necessary to poll the community before
>     finalizing this kind of arrangement, at least not yet. With out a
>     change in city governance this November it's hard telling what we
>     might end up being subjected to. It's not difficult imagining
>     Nancy, queen of the naught and her like minded henchmen being only
>     too happy to review private transactions and withhold their stamp
>     of approval from anything that doesn't meet their anti growth,
>     anti business, left wing agenda.
>     g
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* J Ford <mailto:privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>         *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>         *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:12 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the
>         Palouse LLC
>         Which absolutely proves what I was told earlier this week -
>         Rick Beebe DID know who was buying his property across from
>         Gritman.  He figured if he played the poor fool that was
>         jerked off by Dougie and his bunch, people would look the
>         other way on his other projects.  In other words, he's playing
>         the "sympathy card".  Too bad, Rick - people so know what you
>         did and are NOT happy.
>         Wonder if the IRS is aware that you're back to your old tricks? 
>         J :]
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>             From: dfrench at moscow.com
>             To: whayman at roadrummer.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>             Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:34:11 -0700
>             Subject: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the
>             Palouse LLC
>             The answer is:
>             Larry Germer, Richard Beebe, Jeff Eisinger, Karl Tyler,
>             according to records filed with the Idaho Secretary of State
>             (here's the link:
>             http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?ScriptForm.startstep=viewentity&ScriptForm.startScriptForm.start.ScriptStepView.viewentityFILEvalue=W46038
>             <http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?ScriptForm.startstep=viewentity&ScriptForm.startScriptForm.start.ScriptStepView.viewentityFILEvalue=W46038> )
>             Message: 2
>             Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:52:04 -0700
>             From: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com
>             <mailto:whayman at roadrunner.com>>
>             Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Amended Agenda for the Latah County
>             ZoningCommission Special and Regular Meetings September
>             19, 2007
>             To: "Bruce and Jean Livingston"
>             <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com
>             <mailto:jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>>,
>             <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>,
>             "Aimee Shipman" <ashipman at latah.id.us
>             <mailto:ashipman at latah.id.us>>
>             Message-ID: <000801c7f5a8$aff55430$0400a8c0 at Homeboy
>             <mailto:000801c7f5a8$aff55430$0400a8c0 at Homeboy>>
>             Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>             reply-type=original
>             Does anyone know who Developers of the Palouse, LLC is?
>             Warren Hayman
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