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Again, you are SO wrong. The Mormons, the Nazerenes, the Catholics, etc. all own a very, very small piece of Moscow - exactly all that they use and nothing more. <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">NOT ONE OF THEM IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA!!!!</span> The Mormons, for example, went to the far border of Moscow and are totally out of the main street and THEY PAY TAXES on any of their businesses. They do NOT fall back on "I'm running a religious business" to become tax exempt, such as the CC group does. And <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">NEVER ONCE HAVE THEY GONE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL OR COMMITTEES DEMANDING SPECIAL TREATMENTS OR SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, SUCH AS THE CC HAVE AND CONTINUE TO DO</span>. <br><br>Just look at the mess on N Polk. Now they want a new PUD so they can add day-basements to homes that they already have special permits for, had lied to get (remember the retirement community they were going to build? That lasted exactly as long as it took to get the PUD and not a minute longer. NOW they are not even bothering to hide the fact that these will all be boarding houses for NSA.) and are totally trying to overrun that entire area to get put in. Remember the Fire Lane was supposed to stay off-limits and they were NOT to use it as a "private driveway" to Dougie's house? Well, two weeks ago they removed the ballasts in an attempt to do just that and got caught. Yes, they were made to put them back, but they are boo-hooing to the City and Council to get them out permanently. The Council <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">SPECIFICALLY</span> stated they were NOT to use that as a private drive and Dougie (through his poor wife who has to go through the "muck and mud to get to (her) house") is crying about all the torn up property and driveway he has to maneuver through. You'd think the "developer" would have properly planned for the eventuality of Dougie's driveway needing access through the construction site - but it just proves Mike Hoffman really does not know what he is doing...BIG surprise there!<br><br>Big question there for ya, Mike - just what is it you are doing bringing in all that excess dirt just to scoop it up and remove it again? Can't decide or tell just kinda grade you're supposed to have? Got an idea for ya - <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">HIRE A REAL SURVEYOR TO DO IT FOR YOU!!!</span> Shoot, hire a REAL construction team while you're at it. Get all done the right way.<br><br>Get your facts straight, Pat....geez - never mind. Forgot who I was addressing, for a minute there.<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><blockquote><hr>From: pkraut@moscow.com<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:19:22 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial">And, I would ask if you are aware of how much property is
owned by groups or individuals in this area that have nothing to do with CC? The
catholic church? The Mormons? The whoever?? This is persecution of one group
against whom you have a personal vendetta and has nothing to do with the
community as a whole...get over it!</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="privatejf32@hotmail.com" href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">J Ford</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 14, 2007 7:02
AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial">J:] says:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><em>"... Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he
"disclosed" that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly
did not realize were the true buyers."</em></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I don't know if that is true or not. Perhaps you could
provide a cite. I don't know Mr. Bebee well but he doesn't strike me as a
fool. Perhaps you are wrong about his purported claim or perhaps he thought he
was selling the property to Mr. Hoffman, a man who does buy property in
downtown Moscow that isn't connected with your favorite bump in the night.
Either way I'm still sure that there is no requirement that you or the
community at large be kept apprised of the ins and outs of the transaction. As
to where the money comes from this to is not a matter for public scrutiny
either. Did you look into the particulars regarding the latest LDS
construction project on War Bonnet or the Baptists effort on Fairview and
report breathlessly on their financial arrangements? Who sold the property to
who and where the money to pay for it came from? I thought not.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><em>"Its only a matter of a year and I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will be
requesting the City Council to allow them to expand to over 200 students, the
current amount allowed."</em></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I don't know what this has to do with the topic at hand
but, I would have to say that I don't see why they should wait a year. They
have complied with the city councils requirements for parking and should be
allowed to immediately expand to their maximum allowed enrolment.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">What all of this looks like to me is various
combinations of people with land, money, expertise and desire combining to try
and make a living and make Moscow a better place to live while they're at
it. I don't see where guilt or innocence enters into the picture.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">g</font></div>
<div><br></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="privatejf32@hotmail.com" href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">J
Ford</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 14, 2007 5:30
AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] principals of
Developers of the Palouse LLC</div>
<div><br></div>Ah, yes...generally the scenario you set up is fine and
dandy. But, Rick Beebe played the sympathy card when he "disclosed"
that he had been "tricked into selling" to a group he supposedly did not
realize were the true buyers. AND, if it truly was a sale that was on
the up-and-up, why did it go through one buyer before it went to the "real"
buyer, that being CC or Dougie? Why the subterfuges? And if this
"group with money to spend" truly has money to spend, why the scramble for
the members to raise more and more by selling and down sizing? Most
buyers would have the sense to have money in pocket before a sale goes
through so they don't get caught with their pants around the ankles and
nothing to show for it. Dougie has been on a campaign all over his
"kingdom" raising funds and getting people to commit to both the buying of
the property across from Gritman for his "cathedral" as well as getting new
kirker blood into Moscow and into his new development on N Polk. And
now he wants to change the PUD for THAT property in order to allow for more
borders to get into those new houses.<br><br>Its only a matter of a year and
I can GUARANTEE you that NSA will be requesting the City Council to allow
them to expand to over 200 students, the current amount allowed.<br><br>And
just to clear the air, since you seem to have all the answers - why is it
that Rick and his bunch are now fronting the new development in the
County? Last year, the petition was filed by Mike Hoffman. Why
the switch? Hmmm.......seems like a lot of back-room-fanagaling going
on between those two groups.<br><br>But, like you said - one group has money
and another has property....all this looks innocent to you?<br><br>J
:]<br><br><br>
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From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>To: privatejf32@hotmail.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:18:46 -0700<br>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial">So what, exactly is there to be unhappy about? A
group with money to spend and a group with property to sell got
together and transacted a mutually agreeable business deal. I don't
think that it's currently necessary to poll the community before
finalizing this kind of arrangement, at least not yet. With out a
change in city governance this November it's hard telling what we might
end up being subjected to. It's not difficult imagining Nancy, queen of
the naught and her like minded henchmen being only too happy to review
private transactions and withhold their stamp of approval from anything
that doesn't meet their anti growth, anti business, left wing
agenda.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">g</font></div>
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<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="privatejf32@hotmail.com" href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">J
Ford</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b>
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:12 AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC</div>
<div><br></div>Which absolutely proves what I was told earlier this week
- Rick Beebe DID know who was buying his property across from
Gritman. He figured if he played the poor fool that was jerked off
by Dougie and his bunch, people would look the other way on his other
projects. In other words, he's playing the "sympathy card".
Too bad, Rick - people so <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">know </span>what
you did and are NOT happy. <br><br>Wonder if the IRS is aware that
you're back to your old tricks? <br><br>J :]<br><br><br>
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From: dfrench@moscow.com<br>To: whayman@roadrummer.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:34:11
-0700<br>Subject: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse
LLC<br><br>
<div><font size="2">The answer is:</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2">Larry Germer, Richard Beebe, Jeff Eisinger, Karl
Tyler, according to records filed with the Idaho Secretary of State
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">(here's the link: <a href="http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?ScriptForm.startstep=viewentity&ScriptForm.startScriptForm.start.ScriptStepView.viewentityFILEvalue=W46038" target="_blank">http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?ScriptForm.startstep=viewentity&ScriptForm.startScriptForm.start.ScriptStepView.viewentityFILEvalue=W46038</a> )</font></div>
<div><font size="2"></font> </div>
<div>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:52:04 -0700<br>From:
"Warren Hayman" <<a href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com">whayman@roadrunner.com</a>><br>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Amended Agenda for the Latah
County<br>ZoningCommission Special and Regular Meetings September 19,
2007<br>To: "Bruce and Jean Livingston" <<a href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">jeanlivingston@turbonet.com</a>>,<br><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>,
"Aimee Shipman" <<a href="mailto:ashipman@latah.id.us">ashipman@latah.id.us</a>><br>Message-ID:
<<a href="mailto:000801c7f5a8$aff55430$0400a8c0@Homeboy">000801c7f5a8$aff55430$0400a8c0@Homeboy</a>><br>Content-Type:
text/plain; format=flowed;
charset="iso-8859-1";<br>reply-type=original<br><br>Does anyone know
who Developers of the Palouse, LLC is?<br><br>Warren
Hayman<br></div></blockquote><br>
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