[Vision2020] Climate Scientists Invite Debate Online

[Saundra Lund]

Hi Ted,

 

I want to thank you for bringing us so much informative stuff to read!
Whether I agree or not, I never fail to learn from the primary sources you
bring to the Viz - please keep up the good work!

 

 

Thanks Again,

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

 

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

 

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Ted Moffett
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:39 AM
To: Paul Rumelhart
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; J Ford
Subject: [Vision2020] Climate Scientists Invite Debate Online

 

 

Paul, Roger et. al.

 

Given I suggested you inform climate scientists I have been referencing (i.
e. the majority of climate scientists involved in the conclusions of the
IPCC, the Union of Concerned Scientists, insofar as they comment on climate
change, the Stern Report, etc.) of the errors of their climate models, you
might find this web site, welcoming discussion online with climate
scientists, an easy way to follow my suggestion.  I'm not sure how
submitting comments works on this website.  But I'll include an "article"
submitted, offered at Realclimate, at a web link below, that I found
interesting, on "Suppressing Dissent" in the political, media, economic and
scientific web of discussion on global warming.  You, along with Roger
Falen, will find ammunition in this article for your skepticism about the
"consensus" scientists working on global warming.  Consider that the climate
scientists who sponsor Realclimate fall into the "IPCC' mold, as far as I
can tell.  So they are sponsoring a web site that allows their own work to
be sliced and diced.  One way or the other, this web site is an amazing
resource to study the subject of climate science, from beginners to Phds.: 

 

http://www.realclimate.org
 

If you would like to contact us, suggest a topic to be covered, contribute a
relevant commentary, or be part of this effort on a more permanent basis,
please email  <mailto:contrib-at-realclimate.org> RealClimate (replace -at-
with @).

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Link to article "Suppressing Dissent" found at Realclimate:

 

http://gerberatetra.blogspot.com/2007/05/suppressing-dissent.html

 

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Ted Moffett

 

On 10/22/07, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote: 

On 10/21/07, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com
<mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> > wrote:

 

Paul wrote on global warming:

 

But that's not what I'm
hearing.  "Something our grandchildren will have to deal with" seems to 
be another way to say "our worst predictions could end up that way if
nobody does anything about it for the next century and our models are
correct".  

 

Given it "seems" you are not taking seriously the empirical findings, and
predictions, regarding global warming, supported by the scientific consensus
among climate scientists, well...

 

Maybe you should, if you have not, study MIT climate scientist Richard
Lindzen's skeptical approach to the IPCC.  Though most climate scientists
disagree with Lindzen, he might agree to some extent with your approach to
modeling of climate science.  I have heard him interviewed, and his
arguments sounded somewhat like yours.  Lindzen is one of the favorites
quoted by the "global warming is too uncertain to take dramatic action on
greenhouse gas emissions" club.  He can make a convincing case, to a layman
such as myself.  But I have read too many other climate scientists who
disagree with him, to believe his skepticism is based on the best science,
and not his motivation to be a "brilliant iconoclast" in the scientific
community.  That's OK.  Science needs brilliant iconoclasts to question what
might otherwise be a too comfortable and complacent conformity. 

 

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm

 

Again, I suggest you contact climate scientists who are issuing the science
based warnings on greenhouse gas emissions that I reference, scientists
working with the IPCC, or the Union of Concerned Scientists, or the Stern
Report, to inform them of their errors.  Because according to many of these
scientists, we are already committed to disruptive climate change with
current atmospheric CO2 levels at about 430 ppm.  And doing nothing to lower
emissions till the end of the century...well...  You can read the
predictions. 

 

Ted Moffett

 

 

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