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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Ted,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I want to <b>thank you</b> for bringing us so much informative
stuff to read! Whether I agree or not, I never fail to learn from the
primary sources you bring to the Viz – please keep up the good work!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks Again,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ted Moffett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 22, 2007 3:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision2020@moscow.com; J Ford<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Climate Scientists Invite Debate Online<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Paul, Roger et. al.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Given I suggested you inform climate scientists I have been
referencing (i. e. the majority of climate scientists involved in the
conclusions of the IPCC, the Union of Concerned Scientists, insofar as they
comment on climate change, the Stern Report, etc.) of the errors of their
climate models, you might find this web site, welcoming discussion online
with climate scientists, an easy way to follow my suggestion. I'm not
sure how submitting comments works on this website. But I'll include
an "article" submitted, offered at Realclimate, at a web
link below, that I found interesting, on "Suppressing Dissent"
in the political, media, economic and scientific web of discussion on
global warming. You, along with Roger Falen, will find ammunition in
this article for your skepticism about the "consensus"
scientists working on global warming. Consider that the climate
scientists who sponsor Realclimate fall into the "IPCC' mold, as far as I
can tell. So they are sponsoring a web site that allows their own work to
be sliced and diced. One way or the other, this web site is an amazing
resource to study the subject of climate science, from beginners to Phds.: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.realclimate.org">http://www.realclimate.org</a><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If you would like to contact us, suggest a topic to be
covered, contribute a relevant commentary, or be part of this effort on a more
permanent basis, please email <a href="mailto:contrib-at-realclimate.org"><span
style='color:#66AA55'>RealClimate</span></a> (replace -at- with @).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Link to article "Suppressing Dissent" found at
Realclimate:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a
href="http://gerberatetra.blogspot.com/2007/05/suppressing-dissent.html">http://gerberatetra.blogspot.com/2007/05/suppressing-dissent.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ted Moffett<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote>On 10/22/07, <b>Ted Moffett</b> <<a
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote>On 10/21/07, <b>Paul Rumelhart</b>
<<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com </a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote>Paul wrote on global warming:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>But that's not what I'm<br>
hearing. "Something our grandchildren will have to deal
with" seems to <br>
be another way to say "our worst predictions could end up that way if<br>
nobody does anything about it for the next century and our models are<br>
correct". <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Given it "seems" you are not taking seriously the
empirical findings, and predictions, regarding global warming, supported by the
scientific consensus among climate scientists, well...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Maybe you should, if you have not, study MIT climate
scientist Richard Lindzen's skeptical approach to the IPCC. Though most
climate scientists disagree with Lindzen, he might agree to some
extent with your approach to modeling of climate science. I have
heard him interviewed, and his arguments sounded somewhat like yours.
Lindzen is one of the favorites quoted by the "global warming is too
uncertain to take dramatic action on greenhouse gas emissions" club.
He can make a convincing case, to a layman such as myself. But I have
read too many other climate scientists who disagree with him, to believe his
skepticism is based on the best science, and not his motivation to be a
"brilliant iconoclast" in the scientific community. That's
OK. Science needs brilliant iconoclasts to question what might otherwise
be a too comfortable and complacent conformity. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm"
target="_blank">http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Again, I suggest you contact climate scientists who are
issuing the science based warnings on greenhouse gas emissions that I
reference, scientists working with the IPCC, or the Union of Concerned
Scientists, or the Stern Report, to inform them of their errors. Because
according to many of these scientists, we are already committed to
disruptive climate change with current atmospheric CO2 levels at about 430
ppm. And doing nothing to lower emissions till the end of the
century...well... You can read the predictions. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ted Moffett<o:p></o:p></p>
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