[Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart

Sun Apr 22 06:53:01 PDT 2007

Bait and switch. Sorry, I don't play that game.

m.

At 2:47 AM -0700 4/22/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Even if it were true, that Latah and Whitman could not stand to hold 
>two or three large discount stores, and we really obtained three 
>stores, why should it be your decision, or the decision of a few 
>influential people in Moscow to decide which stores should stay and 
>which ones don't get to open? Shouldn't it be the residents of the 
>Palouse that get to make that decision with their own earned dollars?
>
>I agree, that if you gave me my money, you could decide how I should 
>spend it. But since I earned my money shouldn't I get to decide 
>where I want to spend it, Mr. Solomon? Who gave you ownership over 
>my money and the money of others?
>
>What you seem to be saying Mr. Solomon is that Moscow residents are 
>stupid, and that they need you to protect them from making stupid 
>and unwise decisions with their own earned dollars.
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>Winco cannot handle the traffic it is getting.  I want a grocery 
>store that doesn't need stop lights and a crosswalk to get from the 
>peas to the lentils without getting flattened by a backwards moving 
>forklift trying to restock the Puppy Chow. Excuse me if I don't want 
>to look like one of those squished grapes that rolled off the vine 
>and under the fruit bin.
>
>The economy would grow if we have cheaper groceries for three 
>reasons. First, a Supercenter would bring in new customers from 
>around Latah, such as Genesee, Troy, Deary, Uniontown, etc. Second, 
>the money people would save on groceries would allow residents to 
>spend their money on other things, like supporting more restaurants, 
>electronic stores, and theater. Third, it would make Moscow more 
>affordable, making it a more attractive place for other businesses 
>and industry to locate here.
>
>Raising the price of food isn't doing the community good Mr. 
>Solomon, it hurts especially the poor that have about $150 a month 
>in stamps to live on.
>
>Best,
>
>Donovan
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>Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:
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>Donovan,
>
>That assumes that there is enough customer base to support three, 
>count them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm 
>assuming for the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that the 
>Pullman SuperWalmart will eventually be built). If/when the Pullman 
>SW opens, Winco will take a big hit as Pullman shoppers stay closer 
>to home. There's no reason to assume someone in Pullman going 
>discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart opens in Pullman 
>would drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. 
>I have no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco but from 
>eyeballing the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it 
>could be up to 40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow 
>SuperWalmart opened competing for the 60% of the discount grocery 
>shoppers left and say each got half: that's 30% of the current 
>customer base for Winco. Seems to me that the final outcome is two 
>SuperWalmarts, one in Moscow, one in Pullman and no competition. Or 
>choice.
>
>Mark
>
>At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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>>Chas,
>>
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>I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a Super 
>Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper than 
>anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is fresher, 
>cheaper and in greater variety. The quality of meat is actually 
>better too.
>
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>Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and name brands are 
>going to be within pennies of each other at either store.
>
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>However, where I find the savings is when I purchase non food items, 
>like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window cleaner etc. All of 
>that other stuff is much, much cheaper.  Further you can get 
>everything in one trip, clothes shopping, food shopping, pharmacy, 
>haircut, oil change for your car, and get some lunch too. That saves 
>you time and gas, and time and gas saved is money left in your 
>pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your groceries for you.
>
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>I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two discount 
>grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their prices 
>10% to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to and 
>still get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you had 
>another super discount store you have a competition going like they 
>do in Coeur d ' Alene.
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>Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>Donovan,
>
>That assumes that there is enough customer base to support three, 
>count them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm 
>assuming for the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that the 
>Pullman SuperWalmart will eventually be built). If/when the Pullman 
>SW opens, Winco will take a big hit as Pullman shoppers stay closer 
>to home. There's no reason to assume someone in Pullman going 
>discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart opens in Pullman 
>would drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. 
>I have no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco but from 
>eyeballing the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it 
>could be up to 40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow 
>SuperWalmart opened competing for the 60% of the discount grocery 
>shoppers left and say each got half: that's 30% of the current 
>customer base for Winco. Seems to me that the final outcome is two 
>SuperWalmarts, one in Moscow, one in Pullman and no competition. Or 
>choice.
>
>Mark
>
>At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
>>Chas,
>>
>
>
>I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a Super 
>Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper than 
>anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is fresher, 
>cheaper and in greater variety. The quality of meat is actually 
>better too.
>
>
>
>Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and name brands are 
>going to be within pennies of each other at either store.
>
>
>
>However, where I find the savings is when I purchase non food items, 
>like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window cleaner etc. All of 
>that other stuff is much, much cheaper.  Further you can get 
>everything in one trip, clothes shopping, food shopping, pharmacy, 
>haircut, oil change for your car, and get some lunch too. That saves 
>you time and gas, and time and gas saved is money left in your 
>pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your groceries for you.
>
>
>
>I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two discount 
>grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their prices 
>10% to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to and 
>still get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you had 
>another super discount store you have a competition going like they 
>do in Coeur d ' Alene.
>
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>As to the Bees:
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>
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>I agree that no cause for the problem has been agreed upon, but I 
>don't think that it is disputed that bees are disappearing from 
>farms, we know this to be true and the cause for concern.
>
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>
>Donovan
>
>Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
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>Winco is cheaper than any other grocery store in town, by a huge
>margin. I've recently shopped at a Super Wal-Mart, and it was not
>cheaper than Winco. I shop at Costco regularly, and it isn't cheaper
>than Winco, either.
>
>Before I get replies saying "but I bought X at Y, and it was cheaper
>than Winco," let me save you the trouble: I already know that some
>items are cheaper elsewhere. However, overall, for a family or
>individual of average shopping patterns, Winco is far cheaper.
>
>And the jury is out on the bee threat; some dispute whether it even
>exists. I've read arguments from both sides, with both parties
>equally qualified to hold an opinion.
>
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