[Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart

Sun Apr 22 14:42:48 PDT 2007

Mark,

  I hope you can point out to me where I did a bait and switch. Otherwise, I just cannot help but to think you are unable to defend your position, as with Mr. Harkins, April, and now this other fellow on here now asking you good questions.  

  Trying to pin down your exact position on WHY we cannot have a Wal-Mart SuperCenter is like trying to nail jello to a wall. 

  Best,

  Donovan 

  Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:
        Bait and switch. Sorry, I don't play that game.

  m.

  At 2:47 AM -0700 4/22/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
  Mark,     Even if it were true, that Latah and Whitman could not stand to hold two or three large discount stores, and we really obtained three stores, why should it be your decision, or the decision of a few influential people in Moscow to decide which stores should stay and which ones don't get to open? Shouldn't it be the residents of the Palouse that get to make that decision with their own earned dollars?     I agree, that if you gave me my money, you could decide how I should spend it. But since I earned my money shouldn't I get to decide where I want to spend it, Mr. Solomon? Who gave you ownership over my money and the money of others?     What you seem to be saying Mr. Solomon is that Moscow residents are stupid, and that they need you to protect them from making stupid and unwise decisions with their own earned dollars.     Winco cannot handle the traffic it is getting.  I want a grocery store that doesn't need stop lights and a crosswalk to get from the peas to
 the lentils without getting flattened by a backwards moving forklift trying to restock the Puppy Chow. Excuse me if I don't want to look like one of those squished grapes that rolled off the vine and under the fruit bin.     The economy would grow if we have cheaper groceries for three reasons. First, a Supercenter would bring in new customers from around Latah, such as Genesee, Troy, Deary, Uniontown, etc. Second, the money people would save on groceries would allow residents to spend their money on other things, like supporting more restaurants, electronic stores, and theater. Third, it would make Moscow more affordable, making it a more attractive place for other businesses and industry to locate here.     Raising the price of food isn't doing the community good Mr. Solomon, it hurts especially the poor that have about $150 a month in stamps to live on.     Best,     Donovan              

Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:
  Donovan,  
  That assumes that there is enough customer base to support three, count them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm assuming for the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that the Pullman SuperWalmart will eventually be built). If/when the Pullman SW opens, Winco will take a big hit as Pullman shoppers stay closer to home. There's no reason to assume someone in Pullman going discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart opens in Pullman would drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. I have no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco but from eyeballing the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it could be up to 40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow SuperWalmart opened competing for the 60% of the discount grocery shoppers left and say each got half: that's 30% of the current customer base for Winco. Seems to me that the final outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in Moscow, one in Pullman and no competition. Or
 choice.  
  Mark  
  At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
  Chas,

   I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a Super Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper than anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is fresher, cheaper and in greater variety. The quality of meat is actually better too.

   Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and name brands are going to be within pennies of each other at either store.

   However, where I find the savings is when I purchase non food items, like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window cleaner etc. All of that other stuff is much, much cheaper.  Further you can get everything in one trip, clothes shopping, food shopping, pharmacy, haircut, oil change for your car, and get some lunch too. That saves you time and gas, and time and gas saved is money left in your pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your groceries for you.  

   I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two discount grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their prices 10% to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to and still get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you had another super discount store you have a competition going like they do in Coeur d ' Alene.

Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:
  Donovan,  
  That assumes that there is enough customer base to support three, count them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm assuming for the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that the Pullman SuperWalmart will eventually be built). If/when the Pullman SW opens, Winco will take a big hit as Pullman shoppers stay closer to home. There's no reason to assume someone in Pullman going discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart opens in Pullman would drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. I have no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco but from eyeballing the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it could be up to 40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow SuperWalmart opened competing for the 60% of the discount grocery shoppers left and say each got half: that's 30% of the current customer base for Winco. Seems to me that the final outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in Moscow, one in Pullman and no competition. Or
 choice.  
  Mark  
  At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
  Chas,

   I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a Super Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper than anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is fresher, cheaper and in greater variety. The quality of meat is actually better too.

   Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and name brands are going to be within pennies of each other at either store.

   However, where I find the savings is when I purchase non food items, like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window cleaner etc. All of that other stuff is much, much cheaper.  Further you can get everything in one trip, clothes shopping, food shopping, pharmacy, haircut, oil change for your car, and get some lunch too. That saves you time and gas, and time and gas saved is money left in your pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your groceries for you.

   I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two discount grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their prices 10% to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to and still get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you had another super discount store you have a competition going like they do in Coeur d ' Alene.

   As to the Bees:

   I agree that no cause for the problem has been agreed upon, but I don't think that it is disputed that bees are disappearing from farms, we know this to be true and the cause for concern.

   Best,

   Donovan

Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
  Winco is cheaper than any other grocery store in town, by a huge
margin. I've recently shopped at a Super Wal-Mart, and it was not
cheaper than Winco. I shop at Costco regularly, and it isn't cheaper
than Winco, either.

Before I get replies saying "but I bought X at Y, and it was cheaper
than Winco," let me save you the trouble: I already know that some
items are cheaper elsewhere. However, overall, for a family or
individual of average shopping patterns, Winco is far cheaper.

And the jury is out on the bee threat; some dispute whether it even
exists. I've read arguments from both sides, with both parties
equally qualified to hold an opinion.

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