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<div>Bait and switch. Sorry, I don't play that game.</div>
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<div>At 2:47 AM -0700 4/22/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Mark,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Even if it were true, that Latah and
Whitman could not stand to hold two or three large discount
stores, and we really obtained three stores, why should it be
your decision, or the decision of a few influential people in Moscow
to decide which stores should stay and which ones don't get
to open? Shouldn't it be the residents of the Palouse that get to make
that decision with their own earned dollars?</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I agree, that if you gave me my
money, you could decide how I should spend it. But since I earned
my money shouldn't I get to decide where I want to spend it, Mr.
Solomon? Who gave you ownership over my money and the money of
others?</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>What you seem to be saying Mr. Solomon is
that Moscow residents are stupid, and that they need you to
protect them from making stupid and unwise decisions with their own
earned dollars.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Winco cannot handle the traffic it
is getting. I want a grocery store that doesn't need stop
lights and a crosswalk to get from the peas to the lentils without
getting flattened by a backwards moving forklift trying to restock
the Puppy Chow. Excuse me if I don't want to look like one of
those squished grapes that rolled off the vine and under the fruit
bin.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>The economy would grow if we have cheaper
groceries for three reasons. First, a Supercenter would bring in new
customers from around Latah, such as Genesee, Troy, Deary, Uniontown,
etc. Second, the money people would save on groceries would allow
residents to spend their money on other things, like supporting more
restaurants, electronic stores, and theater. Third, it would make
Moscow more affordable, making it a more attractive place for other
businesses and industry to locate here.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Raising the price of food isn't doing the
community good Mr. Solomon, it hurts especially the poor that
have about $150 a month in stamps to live on.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Best,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Donovan</blockquote>
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<i><b>Mark Solomon <msolomon@moscow.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Donovan,</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>That assumes that there is enough customer base to support
three, count them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area
(I'm assuming for the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that
the Pullman SuperWalmart will eventually be built). If/when the
Pullman SW opens, Winco will take a big hit as Pullman shoppers stay
closer to home. There's no reason to assume someone in Pullman going
discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart opens in Pullman would
drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. I have
no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco but from eyeballing
the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it could be up to
40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow SuperWalmart opened
competing for the 60% of the discount grocery shoppers left and say
each got half: that's 30% of the current customer base for Winco.
Seems to me that the final outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in
Moscow, one in Pullman and no competition. Or choice.</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>Mark</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Chas,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a
Super Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper
than anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is
fresher, cheaper and in greater variety. The quality of meat is
actually better too.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and
name brands are going to be within pennies of each other at either
store.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>However, where I find the savings is when I purchase
non food items, like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window
cleaner etc. All of that other stuff is much, much cheaper.
Further you can get everything in one trip, clothes shopping,
food shopping, pharmacy, haircut, oil change for your car, and
get some lunch too. That saves you time and gas, and time and gas
saved is money left in your pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your
groceries for you.</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two
discount grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their
prices 10% to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to
and still get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you
had another super discount store you have a competition going like
they do in Coeur d ' Alene.<br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
<i><b>Mark Solomon <msolomon@moscow.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Donovan,</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>That assumes that there is enough customer base to support
three, count them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area
(I'm assuming for the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that
the Pullman SuperWalmart will eventually be built). If/when the
Pullman SW opens, Winco will take a big hit as Pullman shoppers stay
closer to home. There's no reason to assume someone in Pullman going
discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart opens in Pullman would
drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. I have
no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco but from eyeballing
the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it could be up to
40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow SuperWalmart opened
competing for the 60% of the discount grocery shoppers left and say
each got half: that's 30% of the current customer base for Winco.
Seems to me that the final outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in
Moscow, one in Pullman and no competition. Or choice.</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>Mark</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Chas,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a
Super Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper
than anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is
fresher, cheaper and in greater variety. The quality of meat is
actually better too.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and
name brands are going to be within pennies of each other at either
store.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>However, where I find the savings is when I purchase
non food items, like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window
cleaner etc. All of that other stuff is much, much cheaper.
Further you can get everything in one trip, clothes shopping,
food shopping, pharmacy, haircut, oil change for your car, and
get some lunch too. That saves you time and gas, and time and gas
saved is money left in your pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your
groceries for you.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two
discount grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their
prices 10% to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to
and still get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you
had another super discount store you have a competition going like
they do in Coeur d ' Alene.<br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote>As to the Bees:<br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote>I agree that no cause for the problem has been agreed
upon, but I don't think that it is disputed that bees are
disappearing from farms, we know this to be true and the cause
for concern.<br>
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<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Best,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Donovan<br>
<br>
<i><b>Chasuk <chasuk@gmail.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Winco is cheaper than any other grocery store in town, by
a huge<br>
margin. I've recently shopped at a Super Wal-Mart, and it was not<br>
cheaper than Winco. I shop at Costco regularly, and it isn't
cheaper<br>
than Winco, either.<br>
<br>
Before I get replies saying "but I bought X at Y, and it was
cheaper<br>
than Winco," let me save you the trouble: I already know that
some<br>
items are cheaper elsewhere. However, overall, for a family or<br>
individual of average shopping patterns, Winco is far cheaper.<br>
<br>
And the jury is out on the bee threat; some dispute whether it
even<br>
exists. I've read arguments from both sides, with both parties<br>
equally qualified to hold an opinion.<br>
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