[Vision2020] Naylor Farms Public hearing

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 15 09:43:52 PDT 2006

"At this stage I am not making an argument, I am asking a question. An 
assertion was made on this forum with nothing to back it up." -Gary C.


Don't you know only Authoritative Elitists are allowed to ask the questions?

Remember the commandments of the Authoritative Elitists in Moscow.

1) If it is a business that provides jobs, it is bad because;

a) The jobs don't pay enough
b) It uses water
c) Will somehow cost the taxpayer money
d) It will somehow kill children
e) It will generate more cars on the road
f) It will hurt an innocent kitten in Peru
g) Somebody might produce something bad we breath in
h) Somebody might get their feelings hurt
i) It might get something dirty
j) Would bring the mafia to town
k) Offend the honor of the Passenger Pigeon
l) It would prevent other fictitious businesses from coming here
m) Violate the civil rights of one eyed wheelchair bound Black, Jewish, Lesbians Atheists in Bogota.
n) You have not looked hard enough to find something bad about it

For these reasons, and many more, they must prevent progress, jobs, and prosperity.
Rather then attempting to come up with ways to address the negatives of a business and
giving them a chance to address concerns and make changes, they assume the worst and gang up
on the business as though it is Godzilla coming to smash and destroy the community. 
They forget that not having a job poses the biggest health risk of all. 




"g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:  At this stage I am not making an argument, I am asking a question. An 
assertion was made on this forum with nothing to back it up. To compare the 
dust from the proposed Naylor farms operation to a toxic waste dump seems a 
bit of a stretch. My specific question is what, exactly, are the supposed 
negative health effects and how are they more heinous then those of a 
working farm. Or is it your contention (by way of your automobile analogy) 
that we should disallow those as well?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" 
To: "g. crabtree" 
Cc: "moscow vision 2020" ; "Bruce and Jean 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Naylor Farms Public hearing

> Gary,
> First, you should just go to the farmer's market and ask the folks at the 
> "Say 'no' to Naylor Farms mining permit" petition booth for more details. 
> Letters to the editor are relatively short. For my part, if 34 area 
> doctors speak out against something, then it is worth investigating 
> further.
> Second, come to the meeting on Monday night and ask some questions.
> Third, if your argument were sound, then we would never have an 
> environmentally based reason to prevent any new development. After all, 
> nothing we do now will have a worse effect on the environment than the 
> automobile. If someone wanted to locate a small toxic waste dump next to 
> your house would the fact that it won't do more harm to the area than the 
> collection of automobiles be a relevant consideration? I don't think so.
> Why not just realize that we've made some past mistakes and try to prevent 
> making as many future mistakes as we can. That sounds like a good policy!
> --
> Joe Campbell
> ---- "g. crabtree"  wrote:
> =============
> In what way would a small mining operation be more injurious to the public 
> health than an commensurately sized agricultural use? An unsupported 
> assertion by 340 doctors isn't very compelling, much less 34. Farms create 
> dust and generate truck traffic, not to mention the potential hazard from 
> aerially applied pesticides. Why should I lend any special credence to 
> this proclamation?
> gc
>  From: Bruce and Jean Livingston
>  To: moscow vision 2020
>  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:55 PM
>  Subject: [Vision2020] Naylor Farms Public hearing
>  A very important public hearing will take place at 6 p.m. on Monday Sept. 
> 25 in the Moscow High School Auditorium.  The subject is the Naylor Farms 
> application for a conditional use permit to operate a strip mine for clay, 
> sand and gravel on its 640 acre farm that is located a mile and a half 
> north of Moscow.  The proposed hours of operation are long, the water is 
> not available or permitted at this time, and without water, the dust will 
> undoubtedly be an issue.
>  I write as President of the Moscow Civic Association and on behalf of the 
> MCA Board, and also as a Board member of the Latah Economic Development 
> Council, though expressly not on behalf of the LEDC, which has not 
> discussed the matter explicitly.
>  The MCA Board has taken a formal position against the Naylor's request 
> for a conditional use permit to operate its proposed mining business. 
> Numerous reasons to oppose this application were apparent to us.  It makes 
> growth of the kind we want to encourage less likely.  It brings pollution 
> on the neighbors and town, and high volumes of heavy truck traffic to our 
> highways and roads.  Moreover, the Naylor mining operation will likely 
> only create temporary, low-paid jobs.  And it will do so at the expense 
> the Moscow-Pullman region's efforts to recruit and retain high paying 
> businesses and entrepreneurs to our "Knowledge Corridor," employers that 
> value our community's intellectual, research, and quality-of-life assets.
>  Our opposition to this application cannot be lumped into the "crazed 
> environmentalist" or "anti-growth" mis-characterization that misguided 
> defenders of developers' rights always seem to assert without considering 
> the private property rights of adversely affected neighbors.  Please note 
> the following health-related opposition to the Naylor Farms proposal 
> recently published in a letter to the editor from 34 local doctors:
>  From the Wednesday Sept. 13 Moscow Pullman Daily News:
>    Say 'no' to Naylor Farms mining permit
>    Naylor Farms LLC has applied for a conditional use permit to create a 
> large scale clay (Kaolinite), sand and gravel strip mining and processing 
> operation just 1.5 miles north of Moscow. We, the undersigned physicians 
> of Moscow and Pullman, are extremely concerned about the long-term health 
> effects to the surrounding population and strongly oppose this conditional 
> use permit.
>    We encourage all residents to sign a petition at the Farmers Market, 
> donate, volunteer and be proactive in preventing this potential 
> environmental disaster.
>    The hearing for this permit will be at 6 p.m. Sept. 25 at the Moscow 
> High School auditorium. All written correspondence must be received at the 
> Latah County Courthouse by Tuesday to be considered.
>    Contact your county commissioners and attend this meeting.
>    Your voice is important to clearly say "yes" to farming and "no" to 
> Naylor strip mining. Please visit protectourpalouse.com or 
> protectourwater.net for additional information.
>    Working together to protect your health.
>    Christopher Reisenauer MD/John Grauke MD/Robert Wiggins MD
>    This letter also was signed by 31 other physicians.
>  The Moscow Civic Association likewise opposes the Naylor Farms 
> application and concurs with our community's doctors.  We recommend that 
> you make known to our county commissioners that you oppose the Naylor 
> Farms application.  Whether the most compelling reason to you is Naylor's 
> negative effects on our health, deleterious effects on our economic 
> well-being, the harm to future development of well paying, non-polluting 
> businesses that enhance rather than hurt our quality of life, the Hobson's 
> Choice of choosing whether to hurt our air or water supply, or whatever 
> other reason that you may have, please appear and speak briefly in 
> opposition to the Naylor Farms application.  We encourage and implore you 
> to attend this important public hearing and briefly state any reason you 
> have for opposing this unwise and harmful addition to our community.
>  Bruce Livingston, President, on behalf of the Board of Directors of the 
> Moscow Civic Association
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