<pre><tt>"At this stage I am not making an argument, I am asking a question. An <br>assertion was made on this forum with nothing to back it up." -Gary C.<br><br>Gary, <br><br>Don't you know only Authoritative Elitists are allowed to ask the questions?<br><br>Remember the commandments of the Authoritative Elitists in Moscow.<br><br>1) If it is a business that provides jobs, it is bad because;<br><br>a) The jobs don't pay enough<br>b) It uses water<br>c) Will somehow cost the taxpayer money<br>d) It will somehow kill children<br>e) It will generate more cars on the road<br>f) It will hurt an innocent kitten in Peru<br>g) Somebody might produce something bad we breath in<br>h) Somebody might get their feelings hurt<br>i) It might get something dirty<br>j) Would bring the mafia to town<br>k) Offend the honor of the Passenger Pigeon<br>l) It would prevent other fictitious businesses from coming here<br>m) Violate the civil rights of one eyed wheelchair bound Black, Jewish,
Lesbians Atheists in Bogota.<br>n) You have not looked hard enough to find something bad about it<br><br>For these reasons, and many more, they must prevent progress, jobs, and prosperity.<br>Rather then attempting to come up with ways to address the negatives of a business and<br>giving them a chance to address concerns and make changes, they assume the worst and gang up<br>on the business as though it is Godzilla coming to smash and destroy the community. <br> <br>They forget that not having a job poses the biggest health risk of all. <br><br>Best,<br><br>_DJA<br><br></tt></pre> <br><br><b><i>"g. crabtree" <jampot@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> At this stage I am not making an argument, I am asking a question. An <br>assertion was made on this forum with nothing to back it up. To compare the <br>dust from the proposed Naylor farms operation to a toxic
waste dump seems a <br>bit of a stretch. My specific question is what, exactly, are the supposed <br>negative health effects and how are they more heinous then those of a <br>working farm. Or is it your contention (by way of your automobile analogy) <br>that we should disallow those as well?<br><br>gc<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc @adelphia.net=""><br>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot @adelphia.net=""><br>Cc: "moscow vision 2020" <vision2020 @moscow.com="">; "Bruce and Jean <br>Livingston" <jeanlivingston @turbonet.com=""><br>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:03 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Naylor Farms Public hearing<br><br><br>> Gary,<br>><br>> First, you should just go to the farmer's market and ask the folks at the <br>> "Say 'no' to Naylor Farms mining permit" petition booth for more details. <br>> Letters to the editor are relatively short. For my part, if 34 area <br>> doctors speak out against something, then it is
worth investigating <br>> further.<br>><br>> Second, come to the meeting on Monday night and ask some questions.<br>><br>> Third, if your argument were sound, then we would never have an <br>> environmentally based reason to prevent any new development. After all, <br>> nothing we do now will have a worse effect on the environment than the <br>> automobile. If someone wanted to locate a small toxic waste dump next to <br>> your house would the fact that it won't do more harm to the area than the <br>> collection of automobiles be a relevant consideration? I don't think so.<br>><br>> Why not just realize that we've made some past mistakes and try to prevent <br>> making as many future mistakes as we can. That sounds like a good policy!<br>><br>> --<br>> Joe Campbell<br>><br>> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot @adelphia.net=""> wrote:<br>><br>> =============<br>> In what way would a small mining operation be more
injurious to the public <br>> health than an commensurately sized agricultural use? An unsupported <br>> assertion by 340 doctors isn't very compelling, much less 34. Farms create <br>> dust and generate truck traffic, not to mention the potential hazard from <br>> aerially applied pesticides. Why should I lend any special credence to <br>> this proclamation?<br>><br>> gc<br>> From: Bruce and Jean Livingston<br>> To: moscow vision 2020<br>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:55 PM<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Naylor Farms Public hearing<br>><br>><br>> A very important public hearing will take place at 6 p.m. on Monday Sept. <br>> 25 in the Moscow High School Auditorium. The subject is the Naylor Farms <br>> application for a conditional use permit to operate a strip mine for clay, <br>> sand and gravel on its 640 acre farm that is located a mile and a half <br>> north of Moscow. The proposed hours of operation
are long, the water is <br>> not available or permitted at this time, and without water, the dust will <br>> undoubtedly be an issue.<br>><br>> I write as President of the Moscow Civic Association and on behalf of the <br>> MCA Board, and also as a Board member of the Latah Economic Development <br>> Council, though expressly not on behalf of the LEDC, which has not <br>> discussed the matter explicitly.<br>><br>> The MCA Board has taken a formal position against the Naylor's request <br>> for a conditional use permit to operate its proposed mining business. <br>> Numerous reasons to oppose this application were apparent to us. It makes <br>> growth of the kind we want to encourage less likely. It brings pollution <br>> on the neighbors and town, and high volumes of heavy truck traffic to our <br>> highways and roads. Moreover, the Naylor mining operation will likely <br>> only create temporary, low-paid jobs. And it will
do so at the expense <br>> the Moscow-Pullman region's efforts to recruit and retain high paying <br>> businesses and entrepreneurs to our "Knowledge Corridor," employers that <br>> value our community's intellectual, research, and quality-of-life assets.<br>><br>> Our opposition to this application cannot be lumped into the "crazed <br>> environmentalist" or "anti-growth" mis-characterization that misguided <br>> defenders of developers' rights always seem to assert without considering <br>> the private property rights of adversely affected neighbors. Please note <br>> the following health-related opposition to the Naylor Farms proposal <br>> recently published in a letter to the editor from 34 local doctors:<br>><br>> From the Wednesday Sept. 13 Moscow Pullman Daily News:<br>> Say 'no' to Naylor Farms mining permit<br>><br>><br>> Naylor Farms LLC has applied for a conditional use permit to create a <br>> large
scale clay (Kaolinite), sand and gravel strip mining and processing <br>> operation just 1.5 miles north of Moscow. We, the undersigned physicians <br>> of Moscow and Pullman, are extremely concerned about the long-term health <br>> effects to the surrounding population and strongly oppose this conditional <br>> use permit.<br>><br>><br>> We encourage all residents to sign a petition at the Farmers Market, <br>> donate, volunteer and be proactive in preventing this potential <br>> environmental disaster.<br>><br>><br>> The hearing for this permit will be at 6 p.m. Sept. 25 at the Moscow <br>> High School auditorium. All written correspondence must be received at the <br>> Latah County Courthouse by Tuesday to be considered.<br>><br>><br>> Contact your county commissioners and attend this meeting.<br>><br>><br>> Your voice is important to clearly say "yes" to farming and "no" to <br>> Naylor strip
mining. Please visit protectourpalouse.com or <br>> protectourwater.net for additional information.<br>><br>> Working together to protect your health.<br>><br>> Christopher Reisenauer MD/John Grauke MD/Robert Wiggins MD<br>><br>> This letter also was signed by 31 other physicians.<br>><br>> The Moscow Civic Association likewise opposes the Naylor Farms <br>> application and concurs with our community's doctors. We recommend that <br>> you make known to our county commissioners that you oppose the Naylor <br>> Farms application. Whether the most compelling reason to you is Naylor's <br>> negative effects on our health, deleterious effects on our economic <br>> well-being, the harm to future development of well paying, non-polluting <br>> businesses that enhance rather than hurt our quality of life, the Hobson's <br>> Choice of choosing whether to hurt our air or water supply, or whatever <br>> other reason that
you may have, please appear and speak briefly in <br>> opposition to the Naylor Farms application. We encourage and implore you <br>> to attend this important public hearing and briefly state any reason you <br>> have for opposing this unwise and harmful addition to our community.<br>><br>> Bruce Livingston, President, on behalf of the Board of Directors of the <br>> Moscow Civic Association<br>><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br><br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made
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