[Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 10 20:42:21 PDT 2006
Why would it be an either/or type of situation? I think everyone,
within certain constraints, should be treated humanely. Even border
cases. To do anything else is barbarism. These are the same reasons I
think it's criminal that we torture detainees.
That's not saying we should serve him tea and crumpets, but moving him
out of what could likely be a dangerous situation seems to me to be the
civilized way to cope with this. Likely it's killing two birds with one
stone, putting him in a safer place while studying him to see what kind
of danger he still poses.
Paul
J Ford wrote:
>What the hell? Are you people really blind or what? WHAT ABOUT THE
>VICTIMS? Where are your feelings for them? Your support? Your concern for
>the rest of *their* lives, what's left of them?
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>I could care less what happens to this guy in prison, especially a guy like
>Coe or Sitler or even Jamin who REFUSE to acknowledge and truly come to
>terms with what lives they have destroyed. Truth is, a lot of the time
>these guys are isolated in prison due to the threats against them.
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>Would I like to see him tied and beaten? No. But a "country club" type of
>institution is just not right. Guaranteed his victims are not happy about
>any of this either.
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>J :]
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>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
>>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:58:16 -0700
>>
>>The action that seems to have enraged you this much was the judge granting
>>his request to avoid Spokane County lockup and spend a few weeks at a more
>>humane facility. He's known in Spokane as a legendary rapist, wouldn't it
>>be overly cruel to make him spend time in lockup there where his own safety
>>would be in jeopardy?
>>
>>Or would you rather we just tie him up by his toes and beat him with
>>baseball bats until the time of his hearing?
>>
>>Unless I'm remembering wrong from when I was a child, he didn't kill
>>anybody. His mom tried to, if I remember correctly, but he didn't. He's
>>spent a quarter of a century in prison as a known rapist. I'm amazed he
>>survived at all. All the time that a normal person would spend building a
>>family and a career was spent in a prison cell. He's also a convicted
>>felon upon release, a registered sex offender, and a notoriously infamous
>>celebrity to boot. Not to mention the fact that they are considering
>>keeping him committed past his release date. Isn't that enough? Or do we
>>have to make each and every request of his fall on deaf ears just in spite?
>> There are people who get off easy for some things, yes, but I wouldn't
>>count him as one of them.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>J Ford wrote:
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>>>How dare you! Have you lived through being raped, molested, almost
>>>killed!? Huh,have you? Didn't think so. So don't you dare assume you
>>>know that murder is worse than living through the type of hell child
>>>predators put their victims through. YOU HAVE NO IDEA! The person
>>>murdered - their pain is over; the "survivor" of molestation/rape, etc. -
>>>their pain continues on and on and on. They never loose it - some learn
>>>to live with it differently than others, some take the route of suicide.
>>>A VAST majority of child victims are killed.
>>>
>>>According toe National Missing and Exploited Children's web site:
>>>
>>>"an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were
>>>abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most
>>>serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical
>>>kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions."
>>>
>>>THAT is a hell of a lot of kids missing and hurt. You want to tell them
>>>or their families that "its ok, at least you can't prove they've had the
>>>worst happen to them - that they are dead."? The worst is not knowing
>>>where they are, are they safe, are they being tortured?
>>>
>>>There are many, many victims of rape and child molestation that would and
>>>have taken death over living with what happened to them. Suicide does not
>>>mitigate or negate the seriousness of the originating crime of
>>>molestation. The fact that someone would say "you'll get over it - it was
>>>only molestation vs. murder" or "molestation is not as bad as murder - you
>>>lived through it" is what is asinine - and callous.
>>>
>>>Duncan is not "alleged" to be a multiple child molester - he IS a multiply
>>>convicted and multiply charged child molester and killer.
>>>
>>>If you talk to Adam Walsh's father, John, or anyone else who works to
>>>fight against child molesters they will tell you 9 x's out of 10, the perp
>>>has been caught doing a "lesser" crime, but has committed numerous
>>>extremely serious unknown ones. Duncan is NOT unique - he just got
>>>caught.
>>>
>>>In ref to Coe, he ASKED/PETITIONED/BEGGED the court to allow him to be
>>>transferred to another facility - to get him out of Spokane. It matters
>>>little where that place is or that he MAY have ended up there eventually;
>>>what matters is HE made the request and the court went with it:
>>>
>>>"Kevin Coe Gets Hearing Delay September 6, 2006 By Associated Press
>>>
>>>Kevin Coe, convicted of one of the rapes that terrorized Spokane's South
>>>Hill neighborhood a quarter-century ago, on Wednesday requested transfer
>>>to a special prison for sexual predators to spend a seven-week delay in
>>>the state's efforts to keep him in custody indefinitely.
>>>
>>>Spokane County Superior Court Judge Kathleen O'Connor on Wednesday granted
>>>Coe's request to go to the special commitment center on McNeil Island and
>>>agreed to the delay in the probable cause hearing to give his lawyers time
>>>to study more than 66,000 pages of documents the state submitted in its
>>>efforts to keep Coe in custody.
>>>
>>>Coe's attorney, Tim Trageser, said his client would like to spend the
>>>delay at McNeil Island, in Puget Sound between Tacoma and Olympia, rather
>>>than the Spokane County Jail.
>>>
>>>As a civil facility, McNeil Island has much better living arrangements
>>>than a crowded county jail, Trageser said."
>>>
>>>And yes, victimization does occur in prison - BUT NOT TO CHILDREN by
>>>molesters. People don't want to run the risk they will become a victim in
>>>prison, they should not do a crime that puts them in that position.
>>>(Before you say it - YES there are innocent people sent to jail or prison
>>>and YES they can become victims in jail or prison.)
>>>
>>>And your claim that there is only one "sex offender treatment provider"
>>>and they are in Clarkston is false. There are MANY in the area and Sitler
>>>is actually being treated by TWO providers, one in Pullman and one in
>>>Clarkston. And to the Sheriff's chagrin, his FAMILY members are taking
>>>him to both. Read the file - you'll see there is a letter there from the
>>>LCSD that specifically requests anyone BUT family members take Sitler to
>>>his "treatment" and the court, thus far, has ignored that request.
>>>
>>>It irks me to no end that a defense lawyer, ANY, continues to claim they
>>>know what a victim of their client's feels or the victim of any crime
>>>feels. Until you are on the receiving end of that crime - you have no
>>>idea.
>>>
>>>J :]
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>>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>>>CoetransferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:24:27 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Duncan is alleged to be a serial killer as well as a child molester. You
>>>>claim he's close to average for a sex offender and then claim I'm being
>>>>obtuse? Please! That's a ridiculous position to take. No, it's asinine,
>>>>absolute nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>Please do not compare murder to molestation and claim they're the same.
>>>>Most people can tell they're two separate crimes, with the former being
>>>>worse.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think the only practice providing treatment to sex offenders,
>>>>which
>>>>is based in Clarkston, would come here to provide treatment to one
>>>>person.
>>>>If I'm wrong, which is possible, then there would be no reason to let
>>>>Sitler
>>>>out for treatment. If they won't come here, then this is a reason to
>>>>allow
>>>>him to go to Clarkston for treatment.
>>>>
>>>>It's obtuse to claim Coe is having his way when he is going to the
>>>>facility
>>>>where the state wishes to keep him what appears to be the rest of his
>>>>life,
>>>>in order to prepare for the hearing that will determine his future.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, prison provides numerous opportunities to victimize others.
>>>>
>>>>Sunil
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>>>>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe
>>>>>transferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
>>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:46 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, now you're being purposefully obtuse. There is no way I can say,
>>>>>without taking a poll, what provider would be willing, or not, to go to
>>>>>
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>>>>the
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>>>>>jail and offer treatment. What I can say is that the ones I have talked
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>>>>to
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>>>>>in a casual manner, have said they have never been asked by the court,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>they
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>>>>>have just been asked or ordered to provide the "treatment" and told the
>>>>>prisoner will come to them. And no, I will not provide those names as
>>>>>
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>>>>you
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>>>>>know very well that confidentiality prohibits me from doing that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Coe, through his attorney, requested that he be transferred out of
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>Spokane
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>>>>>to a specific facility. It was COE's choice and the court went with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Duncan is more along the lines of the average molester than you'd like
>>>>>to
>>>>>admit. Difference is, he got caught. Whether they kill their victims
>>>>>or
>>>>>kill what childhood the victim may have had, the violator has committed
>>>>>a
>>>>>deadly sin and should be punished accordingly. Penny's idea of
>>>>>
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>>>>sentencing
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>>>>>them to 25-life right out of the gate makes more sense than 15, with
>>>>>time
>>>>>off for "good" behavior. How else are they gonna act in prison than
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>"good"
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>>>>>since there is no opportunity to victimize anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>J :]
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