[Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
Tony Simpson
tonytime at clearwire.net
Mon Sep 11 02:21:39 PDT 2006
Hey guys n gals, J Ford's right on this Coe biz. WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS??
That's the bottom line. Surely compassion would require that our concern
rest initially with the victims of violent crime rather than the
perpetrators. And I had Ford pegged as a perfect liberal... but her focus
on this issue is decidedly well centered.
Say, have any of ya'all read that awesome account of Kevin and Ruth Coe
titled "SON, portrait of a psychopath and his victims" By Jack Olsen?
Could NOT put it down. The definitive account of that sociopathic family.
Later, -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
> What the hell? Are you people really blind or what? WHAT ABOUT THE
> VICTIMS? Where are your feelings for them? Your support? Your concern
> for
> the rest of *their* lives, what's left of them?
>
> I could care less what happens to this guy in prison, especially a guy
> like
> Coe or Sitler or even Jamin who REFUSE to acknowledge and truly come to
> terms with what lives they have destroyed. Truth is, a lot of the time
> these guys are isolated in prison due to the threats against them.
>
> Would I like to see him tied and beaten? No. But a "country club" type
> of
> institution is just not right. Guaranteed his victims are not happy about
> any of this either.
>
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
>>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:58:16 -0700
>>
>>The action that seems to have enraged you this much was the judge granting
>>his request to avoid Spokane County lockup and spend a few weeks at a more
>>humane facility. He's known in Spokane as a legendary rapist, wouldn't it
>>be overly cruel to make him spend time in lockup there where his own
>>safety
>>would be in jeopardy?
>>
>>Or would you rather we just tie him up by his toes and beat him with
>>baseball bats until the time of his hearing?
>>
>>Unless I'm remembering wrong from when I was a child, he didn't kill
>>anybody. His mom tried to, if I remember correctly, but he didn't. He's
>>spent a quarter of a century in prison as a known rapist. I'm amazed he
>>survived at all. All the time that a normal person would spend building a
>>family and a career was spent in a prison cell. He's also a convicted
>>felon upon release, a registered sex offender, and a notoriously infamous
>>celebrity to boot. Not to mention the fact that they are considering
>>keeping him committed past his release date. Isn't that enough? Or do we
>>have to make each and every request of his fall on deaf ears just in
>>spite?
>> There are people who get off easy for some things, yes, but I wouldn't
>>count him as one of them.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>J Ford wrote:
>>
>>>How dare you! Have you lived through being raped, molested, almost
>>>killed!? Huh,have you? Didn't think so. So don't you dare assume you
>>>know that murder is worse than living through the type of hell child
>>>predators put their victims through. YOU HAVE NO IDEA! The person
>>>murdered - their pain is over; the "survivor" of molestation/rape, etc. -
>>>their pain continues on and on and on. They never loose it - some learn
>>>to live with it differently than others, some take the route of suicide.
>>>A VAST majority of child victims are killed.
>>>
>>>According toe National Missing and Exploited Children's web site:
>>>
>>>"an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children
>>>were
>>>abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most
>>>serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical
>>>kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family
>>>abductions."
>>>
>>>THAT is a hell of a lot of kids missing and hurt. You want to tell them
>>>or their families that "its ok, at least you can't prove they've had the
>>>worst happen to them - that they are dead."? The worst is not knowing
>>>where they are, are they safe, are they being tortured?
>>>
>>>There are many, many victims of rape and child molestation that would and
>>>have taken death over living with what happened to them. Suicide does
>>>not
>>>mitigate or negate the seriousness of the originating crime of
>>>molestation. The fact that someone would say "you'll get over it - it
>>>was
>>>only molestation vs. murder" or "molestation is not as bad as murder -
>>>you
>>>lived through it" is what is asinine - and callous.
>>>
>>>Duncan is not "alleged" to be a multiple child molester - he IS a
>>>multiply
>>>convicted and multiply charged child molester and killer.
>>>
>>>If you talk to Adam Walsh's father, John, or anyone else who works to
>>>fight against child molesters they will tell you 9 x's out of 10, the
>>>perp
>>>has been caught doing a "lesser" crime, but has committed numerous
>>>extremely serious unknown ones. Duncan is NOT unique - he just got
>>>caught.
>>>
>>>In ref to Coe, he ASKED/PETITIONED/BEGGED the court to allow him to be
>>>transferred to another facility - to get him out of Spokane. It matters
>>>little where that place is or that he MAY have ended up there eventually;
>>>what matters is HE made the request and the court went with it:
>>>
>>>"Kevin Coe Gets Hearing Delay September 6, 2006 By Associated Press
>>>
>>>Kevin Coe, convicted of one of the rapes that terrorized Spokane's South
>>>Hill neighborhood a quarter-century ago, on Wednesday requested transfer
>>>to a special prison for sexual predators to spend a seven-week delay in
>>>the state's efforts to keep him in custody indefinitely.
>>>
>>>Spokane County Superior Court Judge Kathleen O'Connor on Wednesday
>>>granted
>>>Coe's request to go to the special commitment center on McNeil Island and
>>>agreed to the delay in the probable cause hearing to give his lawyers
>>>time
>>>to study more than 66,000 pages of documents the state submitted in its
>>>efforts to keep Coe in custody.
>>>
>>>Coe's attorney, Tim Trageser, said his client would like to spend the
>>>delay at McNeil Island, in Puget Sound between Tacoma and Olympia, rather
>>>than the Spokane County Jail.
>>>
>>>As a civil facility, McNeil Island has much better living arrangements
>>>than a crowded county jail, Trageser said."
>>>
>>>And yes, victimization does occur in prison - BUT NOT TO CHILDREN by
>>>molesters. People don't want to run the risk they will become a victim
>>>in
>>>prison, they should not do a crime that puts them in that position.
>>>(Before you say it - YES there are innocent people sent to jail or prison
>>>and YES they can become victims in jail or prison.)
>>>
>>>And your claim that there is only one "sex offender treatment provider"
>>>and they are in Clarkston is false. There are MANY in the area and
>>>Sitler
>>>is actually being treated by TWO providers, one in Pullman and one in
>>>Clarkston. And to the Sheriff's chagrin, his FAMILY members are taking
>>>him to both. Read the file - you'll see there is a letter there from the
>>>LCSD that specifically requests anyone BUT family members take Sitler to
>>>his "treatment" and the court, thus far, has ignored that request.
>>>
>>>It irks me to no end that a defense lawyer, ANY, continues to claim they
>>>know what a victim of their client's feels or the victim of any crime
>>>feels. Until you are on the receiving end of that crime - you have no
>>>idea.
>>>
>>>J :]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>>>CoetransferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:24:27 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Duncan is alleged to be a serial killer as well as a child molester.
>>>>You
>>>>claim he's close to average for a sex offender and then claim I'm being
>>>>obtuse? Please! That's a ridiculous position to take. No, it's
>>>>asinine,
>>>>absolute nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>Please do not compare murder to molestation and claim they're the same.
>>>>Most people can tell they're two separate crimes, with the former being
>>>>worse.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think the only practice providing treatment to sex offenders,
>>>>which
>>>>is based in Clarkston, would come here to provide treatment to one
>>>>person.
>>>>If I'm wrong, which is possible, then there would be no reason to let
>>>>Sitler
>>>>out for treatment. If they won't come here, then this is a reason to
>>>>allow
>>>>him to go to Clarkston for treatment.
>>>>
>>>>It's obtuse to claim Coe is having his way when he is going to the
>>>>facility
>>>>where the state wishes to keep him what appears to be the rest of his
>>>>life,
>>>>in order to prepare for the hearing that will determine his future.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, prison provides numerous opportunities to victimize others.
>>>>
>>>>Sunil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe
>>>>>transferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
>>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:46 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, now you're being purposefully obtuse. There is no way I can say,
>>>>>without taking a poll, what provider would be willing, or not, to go to
>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>jail and offer treatment. What I can say is that the ones I have
>>>>>talked
>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>in a casual manner, have said they have never been asked by the court,
>>>>>
>>>>they
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>have just been asked or ordered to provide the "treatment" and told the
>>>>>prisoner will come to them. And no, I will not provide those names as
>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>know very well that confidentiality prohibits me from doing that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Coe, through his attorney, requested that he be transferred out of
>>>>>
>>>>Spokane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to a specific facility. It was COE's choice and the court went with
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Duncan is more along the lines of the average molester than you'd like
>>>>>to
>>>>>admit. Difference is, he got caught. Whether they kill their victims
>>>>>or
>>>>>kill what childhood the victim may have had, the violator has committed
>>>>>a
>>>>>deadly sin and should be punished accordingly. Penny's idea of
>>>>>
>>>>sentencing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>them to 25-life right out of the gate makes more sense than 15, with
>>>>>time
>>>>>off for "good" behavior. How else are they gonna act in prison than
>>>>>
>>>>"good"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>since there is no opportunity to victimize anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>J :]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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