[Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 10 21:53:39 PDT 2006
Ok, I'm going to meet you half way on this - what proof have you read or
heard that indicates Coe is any kind of danger in Spokane? Even his lawyer
says the move is because the "facilities are nicer...and he can have access
to the computers." Sounds to me like he is more interested in comfort than
in rehab.
I am not saying he or any of those creeps should be mistreated - I am saying
that giving in to their want's or wishes is not in the best interest of the
victim (dead or alive) or society. They already get everything handed to
them...why add to that insult by transferring them just because?
J :]
>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:42:21 -0700
>
>Why would it be an either/or type of situation? I think everyone, within
>certain constraints, should be treated humanely. Even border cases. To do
>anything else is barbarism. These are the same reasons I think it's
>criminal that we torture detainees.
>
>That's not saying we should serve him tea and crumpets, but moving him out
>of what could likely be a dangerous situation seems to me to be the
>civilized way to cope with this. Likely it's killing two birds with one
>stone, putting him in a safer place while studying him to see what kind of
>danger he still poses.
>
>Paul
>
>J Ford wrote:
>
>>What the hell? Are you people really blind or what? WHAT ABOUT THE
>>VICTIMS? Where are your feelings for them? Your support? Your concern
>>for the rest of *their* lives, what's left of them?
>>
>>I could care less what happens to this guy in prison, especially a guy
>>like Coe or Sitler or even Jamin who REFUSE to acknowledge and truly come
>>to terms with what lives they have destroyed. Truth is, a lot of the time
>>these guys are isolated in prison due to the threats against them.
>>
>>Would I like to see him tied and beaten? No. But a "country club" type
>>of institution is just not right. Guaranteed his victims are not happy
>>about any of this either.
>>
>>
>>J :]
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>>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
>>>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:58:16 -0700
>>>
>>>The action that seems to have enraged you this much was the judge
>>>granting his request to avoid Spokane County lockup and spend a few weeks
>>>at a more humane facility. He's known in Spokane as a legendary rapist,
>>>wouldn't it be overly cruel to make him spend time in lockup there where
>>>his own safety would be in jeopardy?
>>>
>>>Or would you rather we just tie him up by his toes and beat him with
>>>baseball bats until the time of his hearing?
>>>
>>>Unless I'm remembering wrong from when I was a child, he didn't kill
>>>anybody. His mom tried to, if I remember correctly, but he didn't.
>>>He's spent a quarter of a century in prison as a known rapist. I'm
>>>amazed he survived at all. All the time that a normal person would spend
>>>building a family and a career was spent in a prison cell. He's also a
>>>convicted felon upon release, a registered sex offender, and a
>>>notoriously infamous celebrity to boot. Not to mention the fact that
>>>they are considering keeping him committed past his release date. Isn't
>>>that enough? Or do we have to make each and every request of his fall on
>>>deaf ears just in spite? There are people who get off easy for some
>>>things, yes, but I wouldn't count him as one of them.
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>J Ford wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>>>How dare you! Have you lived through being raped, molested, almost
>>>>killed!? Huh,have you? Didn't think so. So don't you dare assume you
>>>>know that murder is worse than living through the type of hell child
>>>>predators put their victims through. YOU HAVE NO IDEA! The person
>>>>murdered - their pain is over; the "survivor" of molestation/rape, etc.
>>>>- their pain continues on and on and on. They never loose it - some
>>>>learn to live with it differently than others, some take the route of
>>>>suicide. A VAST majority of child victims are killed.
>>>>
>>>>According toe National Missing and Exploited Children's web site:
>>>>
>>>>"an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children
>>>>were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the
>>>>most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical
>>>>kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family
>>>>abductions."
>>>>
>>>>THAT is a hell of a lot of kids missing and hurt. You want to tell them
>>>>or their families that "its ok, at least you can't prove they've had the
>>>>worst happen to them - that they are dead."? The worst is not knowing
>>>>where they are, are they safe, are they being tortured?
>>>>
>>>>There are many, many victims of rape and child molestation that would
>>>>and have taken death over living with what happened to them. Suicide
>>>>does not mitigate or negate the seriousness of the originating crime of
>>>>molestation. The fact that someone would say "you'll get over it - it
>>>>was only molestation vs. murder" or "molestation is not as bad as murder
>>>>- you lived through it" is what is asinine - and callous.
>>>>
>>>>Duncan is not "alleged" to be a multiple child molester - he IS a
>>>>multiply convicted and multiply charged child molester and killer.
>>>>
>>>>If you talk to Adam Walsh's father, John, or anyone else who works to
>>>>fight against child molesters they will tell you 9 x's out of 10, the
>>>>perp has been caught doing a "lesser" crime, but has committed numerous
>>>>extremely serious unknown ones. Duncan is NOT unique - he just got
>>>>caught.
>>>>
>>>>In ref to Coe, he ASKED/PETITIONED/BEGGED the court to allow him to be
>>>>transferred to another facility - to get him out of Spokane. It matters
>>>>little where that place is or that he MAY have ended up there
>>>>eventually; what matters is HE made the request and the court went with
>>>>it:
>>>>
>>>>"Kevin Coe Gets Hearing Delay September 6, 2006 By Associated Press
>>>>
>>>>Kevin Coe, convicted of one of the rapes that terrorized Spokane's South
>>>>Hill neighborhood a quarter-century ago, on Wednesday requested transfer
>>>>to a special prison for sexual predators to spend a seven-week delay in
>>>>the state's efforts to keep him in custody indefinitely.
>>>>
>>>>Spokane County Superior Court Judge Kathleen O'Connor on Wednesday
>>>>granted Coe's request to go to the special commitment center on McNeil
>>>>Island and agreed to the delay in the probable cause hearing to give his
>>>>lawyers time to study more than 66,000 pages of documents the state
>>>>submitted in its efforts to keep Coe in custody.
>>>>
>>>>Coe's attorney, Tim Trageser, said his client would like to spend the
>>>>delay at McNeil Island, in Puget Sound between Tacoma and Olympia,
>>>>rather than the Spokane County Jail.
>>>>
>>>>As a civil facility, McNeil Island has much better living arrangements
>>>>than a crowded county jail, Trageser said."
>>>>
>>>>And yes, victimization does occur in prison - BUT NOT TO CHILDREN by
>>>>molesters. People don't want to run the risk they will become a victim
>>>>in prison, they should not do a crime that puts them in that position.
>>>>(Before you say it - YES there are innocent people sent to jail or
>>>>prison and YES they can become victims in jail or prison.)
>>>>
>>>>And your claim that there is only one "sex offender treatment provider"
>>>>and they are in Clarkston is false. There are MANY in the area and
>>>>Sitler is actually being treated by TWO providers, one in Pullman and
>>>>one in Clarkston. And to the Sheriff's chagrin, his FAMILY members are
>>>>taking him to both. Read the file - you'll see there is a letter there
>>>>from the LCSD that specifically requests anyone BUT family members take
>>>>Sitler to his "treatment" and the court, thus far, has ignored that
>>>>request.
>>>>
>>>>It irks me to no end that a defense lawyer, ANY, continues to claim they
>>>>know what a victim of their client's feels or the victim of any crime
>>>>feels. Until you are on the receiving end of that crime - you have no
>>>>idea.
>>>>
>>>>J :]
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>>>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>>>>CoetransferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
>>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:24:27 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>>Duncan is alleged to be a serial killer as well as a child molester.
>>>>>You
>>>>>claim he's close to average for a sex offender and then claim I'm being
>>>>>obtuse? Please! That's a ridiculous position to take. No, it's
>>>>>asinine,
>>>>>absolute nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please do not compare murder to molestation and claim they're the same.
>>>>>Most people can tell they're two separate crimes, with the former being
>>>>>worse.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't think the only practice providing treatment to sex offenders,
>>>>>which
>>>>>is based in Clarkston, would come here to provide treatment to one
>>>>>person.
>>>>>If I'm wrong, which is possible, then there would be no reason to let
>>>>>Sitler
>>>>>out for treatment. If they won't come here, then this is a reason to
>>>>>allow
>>>>>him to go to Clarkston for treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's obtuse to claim Coe is having his way when he is going to the
>>>>>facility
>>>>>where the state wishes to keep him what appears to be the rest of his
>>>>>life,
>>>>>in order to prepare for the hearing that will determine his future.
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, prison provides numerous opportunities to victimize others.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sunil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe
>>>>>>transferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
>>>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:46 -0700
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, now you're being purposefully obtuse. There is no way I can say,
>>>>>>without taking a poll, what provider would be willing, or not, to go
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>jail and offer treatment. What I can say is that the ones I have
>>>>>>talked
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>in a casual manner, have said they have never been asked by the court,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>they
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>have just been asked or ordered to provide the "treatment" and told
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>prisoner will come to them. And no, I will not provide those names as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>know very well that confidentiality prohibits me from doing that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Coe, through his attorney, requested that he be transferred out of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Spokane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>to a specific facility. It was COE's choice and the court went with
>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Duncan is more along the lines of the average molester than you'd like
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>admit. Difference is, he got caught. Whether they kill their victims
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>kill what childhood the victim may have had, the violator has
>>>>>>committed a
>>>>>>deadly sin and should be punished accordingly. Penny's idea of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>sentencing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>them to 25-life right out of the gate makes more sense than 15, with
>>>>>>time
>>>>>>off for "good" behavior. How else are they gonna act in prison than
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>"good"
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>since there is no opportunity to victimize anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>J :]
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