[Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 10 18:58:59 PDT 2006
What the hell? Are you people really blind or what? WHAT ABOUT THE
VICTIMS? Where are your feelings for them? Your support? Your concern for
the rest of *their* lives, what's left of them?
I could care less what happens to this guy in prison, especially a guy like
Coe or Sitler or even Jamin who REFUSE to acknowledge and truly come to
terms with what lives they have destroyed. Truth is, a lot of the time
these guys are isolated in prison due to the threats against them.
Would I like to see him tied and beaten? No. But a "country club" type of
institution is just not right. Guaranteed his victims are not happy about
any of this either.
>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan
>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:58:16 -0700
>The action that seems to have enraged you this much was the judge granting
>his request to avoid Spokane County lockup and spend a few weeks at a more
>humane facility. He's known in Spokane as a legendary rapist, wouldn't it
>be overly cruel to make him spend time in lockup there where his own safety
>would be in jeopardy?
>Or would you rather we just tie him up by his toes and beat him with
>baseball bats until the time of his hearing?
>Unless I'm remembering wrong from when I was a child, he didn't kill
>anybody. His mom tried to, if I remember correctly, but he didn't. He's
>spent a quarter of a century in prison as a known rapist. I'm amazed he
>survived at all. All the time that a normal person would spend building a
>family and a career was spent in a prison cell. He's also a convicted
>felon upon release, a registered sex offender, and a notoriously infamous
>celebrity to boot. Not to mention the fact that they are considering
>keeping him committed past his release date. Isn't that enough? Or do we
>have to make each and every request of his fall on deaf ears just in spite?
> There are people who get off easy for some things, yes, but I wouldn't
>count him as one of them.
>J Ford wrote:
>>How dare you! Have you lived through being raped, molested, almost
>>killed!? Huh,have you? Didn't think so. So don't you dare assume you
>>know that murder is worse than living through the type of hell child
>>predators put their victims through. YOU HAVE NO IDEA! The person
>>murdered - their pain is over; the "survivor" of molestation/rape, etc. -
>>their pain continues on and on and on. They never loose it - some learn
>>to live with it differently than others, some take the route of suicide.
>>A VAST majority of child victims are killed.
>>According toe National Missing and Exploited Children's web site:
>>"an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were
>>abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most
>>serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical
>>kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions."
>>THAT is a hell of a lot of kids missing and hurt. You want to tell them
>>or their families that "its ok, at least you can't prove they've had the
>>worst happen to them - that they are dead."? The worst is not knowing
>>where they are, are they safe, are they being tortured?
>>There are many, many victims of rape and child molestation that would and
>>have taken death over living with what happened to them. Suicide does not
>>mitigate or negate the seriousness of the originating crime of
>>molestation. The fact that someone would say "you'll get over it - it was
>>only molestation vs. murder" or "molestation is not as bad as murder - you
>>lived through it" is what is asinine - and callous.
>>Duncan is not "alleged" to be a multiple child molester - he IS a multiply
>>convicted and multiply charged child molester and killer.
>>If you talk to Adam Walsh's father, John, or anyone else who works to
>>fight against child molesters they will tell you 9 x's out of 10, the perp
>>has been caught doing a "lesser" crime, but has committed numerous
>>extremely serious unknown ones. Duncan is NOT unique - he just got
>>In ref to Coe, he ASKED/PETITIONED/BEGGED the court to allow him to be
>>transferred to another facility - to get him out of Spokane. It matters
>>little where that place is or that he MAY have ended up there eventually;
>>what matters is HE made the request and the court went with it:
>>"Kevin Coe Gets Hearing Delay September 6, 2006 By Associated Press
>>Kevin Coe, convicted of one of the rapes that terrorized Spokane's South
>>Hill neighborhood a quarter-century ago, on Wednesday requested transfer
>>to a special prison for sexual predators to spend a seven-week delay in
>>the state's efforts to keep him in custody indefinitely.
>>Spokane County Superior Court Judge Kathleen O'Connor on Wednesday granted
>>Coe's request to go to the special commitment center on McNeil Island and
>>agreed to the delay in the probable cause hearing to give his lawyers time
>>to study more than 66,000 pages of documents the state submitted in its
>>efforts to keep Coe in custody.
>>Coe's attorney, Tim Trageser, said his client would like to spend the
>>delay at McNeil Island, in Puget Sound between Tacoma and Olympia, rather
>>than the Spokane County Jail.
>>As a civil facility, McNeil Island has much better living arrangements
>>than a crowded county jail, Trageser said."
>>And yes, victimization does occur in prison - BUT NOT TO CHILDREN by
>>molesters. People don't want to run the risk they will become a victim in
>>prison, they should not do a crime that puts them in that position.
>>(Before you say it - YES there are innocent people sent to jail or prison
>>and YES they can become victims in jail or prison.)
>>And your claim that there is only one "sex offender treatment provider"
>>and they are in Clarkston is false. There are MANY in the area and Sitler
>>is actually being treated by TWO providers, one in Pullman and one in
>>Clarkston. And to the Sheriff's chagrin, his FAMILY members are taking
>>him to both. Read the file - you'll see there is a letter there from the
>>LCSD that specifically requests anyone BUT family members take Sitler to
>>his "treatment" and the court, thus far, has ignored that request.
>>It irks me to no end that a defense lawyer, ANY, continues to claim they
>>know what a victim of their client's feels or the victim of any crime
>>feels. Until you are on the receiving end of that crime - you have no
>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:24:27 -0700
>>>Duncan is alleged to be a serial killer as well as a child molester. You
>>>claim he's close to average for a sex offender and then claim I'm being
>>>obtuse? Please! That's a ridiculous position to take. No, it's asinine,
>>>Please do not compare murder to molestation and claim they're the same.
>>>Most people can tell they're two separate crimes, with the former being
>>>I don't think the only practice providing treatment to sex offenders,
>>>is based in Clarkston, would come here to provide treatment to one
>>>If I'm wrong, which is possible, then there would be no reason to let
>>>out for treatment. If they won't come here, then this is a reason to
>>>him to go to Clarkston for treatment.
>>>It's obtuse to claim Coe is having his way when he is going to the
>>>where the state wishes to keep him what appears to be the rest of his
>>>in order to prepare for the hearing that will determine his future.
>>>Actually, prison provides numerous opportunities to victimize others.
>>>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe
>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:46 -0700
>>>>Ok, now you're being purposefully obtuse. There is no way I can say,
>>>>without taking a poll, what provider would be willing, or not, to go to
>>>>jail and offer treatment. What I can say is that the ones I have talked
>>>>in a casual manner, have said they have never been asked by the court,
>>>>have just been asked or ordered to provide the "treatment" and told the
>>>>prisoner will come to them. And no, I will not provide those names as
>>>>know very well that confidentiality prohibits me from doing that.
>>>>Coe, through his attorney, requested that he be transferred out of
>>>>to a specific facility. It was COE's choice and the court went with it.
>>>>Duncan is more along the lines of the average molester than you'd like
>>>>admit. Difference is, he got caught. Whether they kill their victims
>>>>kill what childhood the victim may have had, the violator has committed
>>>>deadly sin and should be punished accordingly. Penny's idea of
>>>>them to 25-life right out of the gate makes more sense than 15, with
>>>>off for "good" behavior. How else are they gonna act in prison than
>>>>since there is no opportunity to victimize anyone?
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