[Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on McNeil Island
Bill London
london at moscow.com
Sat Sep 9 15:38:31 PDT 2006
P-
while I do not support capital punishment, and do believe that in general prisoners do deserve a second chance after leaving jail, I find my self in agreement with the court system here.
Some convicted felons are so likely to re-offend that releasing them is a mistake. Coe is a classic example of that kind of re-offender: a sexual predator who has shown no remorse or empathy or awareness and no willingness to engage in therapy.
Anyway, the hearing in the future will be making that decision...BL
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Rumelhart
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on McNeil Island
How far do you take this "lock them up and throw away the key" idea? Why don't we just kill them? Just shoot them in the head as we drag them out of the courthouse amidst the crowd noises and in front of the cameras? Better yet, let the victims do it.
Isn't 25 years in jail and a permanent charge of multiple counts of felony rape on your record and being a registered sex offender enough? Should we have been beating Kevin Coe soundly the whole time or shocking him with electrodes or waterboarding him?
If you don't believe in our justice system then we might as well be going after people with torches and pitchforks. How much has our society spent keeping just that one man in prison for 25 years? How much did we spend on the trial? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if he was let out and given a chance to become a benefit to our society rather than a drain upon it?
I am not unsympathetic to the victims of his crimes. These issues don't have only one side and life is not black or white. We can't simply have him un-rape them and be done with it. We have to work within the constraints we have. Isn't it possible that 25 years in prison while being known to the world as a rapist is enough to teach someone not to reoffend? Are you certain that the victims of his crimes didn't move on with their lives a decade ago?
Paul
J Ford wrote:
"paid his debt to society"....just what does that mean? The women he
assaulted and the children Sitler assaulted will be paying the price for
these "men"s actions for years and years - mayhap their entire lives. Who
is going to let them out of the "prison" they have been put in? You think
Coe or Sitler pays for the counseling their victims have to go through. No!
Sitler, for instance, is paying $289 in court fees - no counseling fees
for the many,many children he hurt. *That* debt is paid by the parents and
us. Same with Coe's victims. He isnae paying for them, we are through
Victim's Fund. (Now before you jump, NO I am not suggesting we get rid of
that fund; I am merely pointing out that the taxpayer is paying that debt
FOR the criminal.)
Coe has proven he has no remorse for his actions and refuses to even
recognize that what he did was wrong. Sitler has only admitted that he "did
not realize what he did was not acceptable" to the social norms. These
fools WILL commit crimes again - the only "service to society" they have
done was to reside in a state-sanctioned institution....with others of their
ilk. They are free to talk to these others and are verra open to how others
have done things; i.e., they will leave there a bit more "educated" on how
to commit their crimes and either avoid detection completely or at least for
a while. No matter what, they WILL reoffend and they WILL "sentence" other
women/children to a lifetime of hell.
The commitment has NOTHING to do with HIS sanity but everything to do with
protecting society. If Coe/Sitler get out, they will, will, will reoffend.
Leaving him in jail or in an institution is the only way to protect SOCIETY
in general from their monstrous acts. Forget "their" sanity.
Sitler was charged with a FRACTION of the crimes he *admits* to committing -
he molests children. He does it because he likes it. Period. His type of
crime does not just go away when he "gets a second chance" it just moves
from one town to his next one, IF he is allowed to get out. This guy has
cases in several states...it is only in Idaho that he was charged. Think he
won't travel and start over again? *THINK* again.
Same thing with Coe. Just because he got caught and charged with one or two
cases does not mean he did not commit others. Or that he won't again.
Sexual offenders do what they do because people continue to "give them
second chances" to do them.
A person KNOWN to have committed several rapes of women or children needs to
stay in jail. Period. I can tell you the people these creeps assaulted
would sleep better knowing they are there and it goes a long way towards
healing the victim.
You seem to have forgotten the victim in your "debt to society". Hopefully
you will not be forced to put them first in your mind due to one of your's
becoming a victim at the hands of one of these "second chance" guys.
Don't forget - Joseph Duncan was a "second chance" parolee.
J :]
From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on
McNeil Island
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:11:06 -0700
I realize you're basically just getting in another dig at Sitler, but I'd
like to look at this a bit more.
Kevin Coe has paid his "debt to society", or will have soon. The question
now is whether or not he needs to be committed for his own mental sanity.
I don't know anything about McNeil Island, but I imagine that he is being
studied to see if he is fit to return to normal life, or to see if he is a
danger to himself or others from a mental-stability standpoint.
He was caught, tried, convicted, and served his time. He deserves the
chance to start over, as best he can. That's the foundation of our justice
system, if you don't agree with it than you might as well just execute
everyone who does so much as get a ticket for jay-walking.
If I were him, I'd get the hell out of the Northwest. He'll still be on
the Sex Offenders list, which will be a good thing for those in his new
community, but maybe he'll have less extra crap flung at him somewhere
else.
I don't know about the Sitler case, I've heard so much ranting and raving
about it here that I couldn't tell you if he was a saint or Satan, but if
he was sentenced by a court of law he should be given the ability to
reenter normal life after he's served his time without people taking it
upon themselves to make his new life any more of a living hell.
I guess my main question is: don't people deserve second chances?
Paul
J Ford wrote:
Coe transferred to special commitment center on McNeil Island
SPOKANE, Wash.- South Hill Rapist Kevin Coe has been transferred to a
special commitment center at McNeil Island instead of the Spokane County
Jail. He left Spokane early Friday morning and arrived safely at noon. A
judge listened to arguments on behalf of Coe and granted him the transfer.
Coe will be moved back to Spokane County in time for a probable cause
hearing, in about 7 weeks.
Coe's attorney sought - and were granted - a delay in the hearing on
whether to civilly commit him beyond his 25-year sentence for rape. That
hearing will now take place no October 30th. Prosecutors did not object
to the delay, but said they would not be willing to wait any longer.
Coe's lawyer said he needed more time to sift through the mounds of
documents related to his client's case.
Does this not sound like Sitler being allowed to go outside the jail for
"treatment" until his parole in May 2007? When did things change to where
the criminal is allowed to dictate his sentence or place of incarceration?
J :]
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