[Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on McNeil Island

Sat Sep 9 15:11:29 PDT 2006

The problem with our justice system as far as child rapists etc is concerned is that the change needs to come at the sentencing level.

  I have a HUGE moral problem with keeping people locked up beyond their sentence. As despicable as these people are, it sets a bad precedent that could be used against a thief or some dumb 20 yr old college student who got busted for a small amount of weed.

  The sentences need to reflect the horror of the crime. If we want to keep child molesters and rapists in jail their whole life, then sentence them to life. Don't sentence them to 15 years and then use illegal methods to keep them in prison.

  Penny P.

J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
  One question:

Was knowing that Joseph Duncan was a multiple child rapist and a registered 
child molester, enough to keep him from killing five people in Idaho, (two 
of which were children) IN ADDITION to the two boys he killed in Minnesota - 
which is only saying that these are the ones they know about so far?

J :]

>From: Paul Rumelhart 
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on 
>McNeil Island
>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:34:00 -0700
>
>How far do you take this "lock them up and throw away the key" idea? Why 
>don't we just kill them? Just shoot them in the head as we drag them out 
>of the courthouse amidst the crowd noises and in front of the cameras? 
>Better yet, let the victims do it.
>
>Isn't 25 years in jail and a permanent charge of multiple counts of felony 
>rape on your record and being a registered sex offender enough? Should we 
>have been beating Kevin Coe soundly the whole time or shocking him with 
>electrodes or waterboarding him?
>
>If you don't believe in our justice system then we might as well be going 
>after people with torches and pitchforks. How much has our society spent 
>keeping just that one man in prison for 25 years? How much did we spend on 
>the trial? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if he was let out and given 
>a chance to become a benefit to our society rather than a drain upon it?
>
>I am not unsympathetic to the victims of his crimes. These issues don't 
>have only one side and life is not black or white. We can't simply have 
>him un-rape them and be done with it. We have to work within the 
>constraints we have. Isn't it possible that 25 years in prison while being 
>known to the world as a rapist is enough to teach someone not to reoffend? 
>Are you certain that the victims of his crimes didn't move on with their 
>lives a decade ago?
>
>Paul
>
>J Ford wrote:
>
>>"paid his debt to society"....just what does that mean? The women he 
>>assaulted and the children Sitler assaulted will be paying the price for 
>>these "men"s actions for years and years - mayhap their entire lives. Who 
>>is going to let them out of the "prison" they have been put in? You think 
>>Coe or Sitler pays for the counseling their victims have to go through. 
>>No! Sitler, for instance, is paying $289 in court fees - no counseling 
>>fees for the many,many children he hurt. *That* debt is paid by the 
>>parents and us. Same with Coe's victims. He isnae paying for them, we 
>>are through Victim's Fund. (Now before you jump, NO I am not suggesting we 
>>get rid of that fund; I am merely pointing out that the taxpayer is paying 
>>that debt FOR the criminal.)
>>
>>Coe has proven he has no remorse for his actions and refuses to even 
>>recognize that what he did was wrong. Sitler has only admitted that he 
>>"did not realize what he did was not acceptable" to the social norms. 
>>These fools WILL commit crimes again - the only "service to society" they 
>>have done was to reside in a state-sanctioned institution....with others 
>>of their ilk. They are free to talk to these others and are verra open to 
>>how others have done things; i.e., they will leave there a bit more 
>>"educated" on how to commit their crimes and either avoid detection 
>>completely or at least for a while. No matter what, they WILL reoffend 
>>and they WILL "sentence" other women/children to a lifetime of hell.
>>
>>The commitment has NOTHING to do with HIS sanity but everything to do with 
>>protecting society. If Coe/Sitler get out, they will, will, will 
>>reoffend. Leaving him in jail or in an institution is the only way to 
>>protect SOCIETY in general from their monstrous acts. Forget "their" 
>>sanity.
>>
>>Sitler was charged with a FRACTION of the crimes he *admits* to committing 
>>- he molests children. He does it because he likes it. Period. His type 
>>of crime does not just go away when he "gets a second chance" it just 
>>moves from one town to his next one, IF he is allowed to get out. This 
>>guy has cases in several states...it is only in Idaho that he was charged. 
>> Think he won't travel and start over again? *THINK* again.
>>
>>Same thing with Coe. Just because he got caught and charged with one or 
>>two cases does not mean he did not commit others. Or that he won't again.
>>
>>Sexual offenders do what they do because people continue to "give them 
>>second chances" to do them.
>>
>>A person KNOWN to have committed several rapes of women or children needs 
>>to stay in jail. Period. I can tell you the people these creeps 
>>assaulted would sleep better knowing they are there and it goes a long way 
>>towards healing the victim.
>>
>>You seem to have forgotten the victim in your "debt to society". 
>>Hopefully you will not be forced to put them first in your mind due to one 
>>of your's becoming a victim at the hands of one of these "second chance" 
>>guys.
>>
>>Don't forget - Joseph Duncan was a "second chance" parolee.
>>
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>>
>>J :]
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>>>From: Paul Rumelhart 
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe transferred to special commitment center on 
>>>McNeil Island
>>>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:11:06 -0700
>>>
>>>I realize you're basically just getting in another dig at Sitler, but I'd 
>>>like to look at this a bit more.
>>>
>>>Kevin Coe has paid his "debt to society", or will have soon. The 
>>>question now is whether or not he needs to be committed for his own 
>>>mental sanity. I don't know anything about McNeil Island, but I imagine 
>>>that he is being studied to see if he is fit to return to normal life, or 
>>>to see if he is a danger to himself or others from a mental-stability 
>>>standpoint.
>>>
>>>He was caught, tried, convicted, and served his time. He deserves the 
>>>chance to start over, as best he can. That's the foundation of our 
>>>justice system, if you don't agree with it than you might as well just 
>>>execute everyone who does so much as get a ticket for jay-walking.
>>>
>>>If I were him, I'd get the hell out of the Northwest. He'll still be on 
>>>the Sex Offenders list, which will be a good thing for those in his new 
>>>community, but maybe he'll have less extra crap flung at him somewhere 
>>>else.
>>>
>>>I don't know about the Sitler case, I've heard so much ranting and raving 
>>>about it here that I couldn't tell you if he was a saint or Satan, but if 
>>>he was sentenced by a court of law he should be given the ability to 
>>>reenter normal life after he's served his time without people taking it 
>>>upon themselves to make his new life any more of a living hell.
>>>
>>>I guess my main question is: don't people deserve second chances?
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>J Ford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Coe transferred to special commitment center on McNeil Island
>>>>
>>>>SPOKANE, Wash.- South Hill Rapist Kevin Coe has been transferred to a 
>>>>special commitment center at McNeil Island instead of the Spokane County 
>>>>Jail. He left Spokane early Friday morning and arrived safely at noon. 
>>>>A judge listened to arguments on behalf of Coe and granted him the 
>>>>transfer. Coe will be moved back to Spokane County in time for a 
>>>>probable cause hearing, in about 7 weeks.
>>>>
>>>>Coe's attorney sought - and were granted - a delay in the hearing on 
>>>>whether to civilly commit him beyond his 25-year sentence for rape. 
>>>>That hearing will now take place no October 30th. Prosecutors did not 
>>>>object to the delay, but said they would not be willing to wait any 
>>>>longer. Coe's lawyer said he needed more time to sift through the 
>>>>mounds of documents related to his client's case.
>>>>
>>>>Does this not sound like Sitler being allowed to go outside the jail for 
>>>>"treatment" until his parole in May 2007? When did things change to 
>>>>where the criminal is allowed to dictate his sentence or place of 
>>>>incarceration?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>J :]
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